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Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by jessaustin »

Bayart wrote: post #213
jessaustin wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since I don't live in California or Texas anymore, and didn't really identify with their priorities when I did, I don't "think that the electoral college in the US is terrible". Echoing your sentiments, the large states are not in a "privileged position" even if they sometimes think they should be. The electoral college, and federalism in general, makes the system more resilient and robust. (Not that this is an unall…

The UK isn't as important to the European economy as Germany (as you seem to imply), and it's roughly the same size as France.

  |{Germany}| = 1

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by dang »

craftinator wrote: post #45
malka wrote: post #10

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as a french, I cant wait for them to be out. They spent the last 50 years trying to sabotage the EU. They want to leave ? Good riddance.

As a french, you're great dipped in both ketchup and milkshakes. Dig that sweet and salty!

Please don't do this here.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by microcolonel »

eecc wrote: post #205
miahi wrote: post #190

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The SIS database is 100% blacklist - people who should be stopped at the border, arrested, reported or followed, objects that should be seized (like stolen cars), objects that prompt for more inquiries (like stolen/lost passports). Source: worked on SIS

And on what basis is a person added to this database? I'm referring to the "reported and followed". Activists perhaps? You know, those perfectly legitimate parties that rapidly tend to get labelled "terrorists" because reasons.

While given the general lack of real civil liberties (not just civil privileges, granted conditionally by the state) in the region, I wouldn't be surprised if some of these are illegitimate; I suspect the vast majority of them are for legitimate (murder, forcible rape, evasion of arrest, larceny, movement of materiel for terrorists and other criminals, etc.) purposes.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by h3hj3bmb »

dangerface wrote: post #214
dgzl wrote: post #211

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I've been fighting against governments violating human rights for a while and I have to say: I didn't know what to do then, and I don't know what to do now.

Me too. I tried voting and while it was fun it didn't seem to matter. I tried bitching about it on the internet and while it was fun it didn't seem to matter. I guess if we are all fucked I might as well have some fun.

The world is run by criminals. Get over it.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by solarkraft »

dangerface wrote: post #214
dgzl wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been fighting against governments violating human rights for a while and I have to say: I didn't know what to do then, and I don't know what to do now.

Me too. I tried voting and while it was fun it didn't seem to matter. I tried bitching about it on the internet and while it was fun it didn't seem to matter. I guess if we are all fucked I might as well have some fun.

Your own vote matters, but there are (number of eligible voters -1) votes to still be influenced.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by pergadad »

southerntofu wrote: post #210
zaat wrote: post #207

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A dismissive cynical attitude helps no one. Sure, some perhaps many, people are corrupt and exercise power given to them for wrong ends. Nevertheless, at large, people want law enforcement, they want stolen goods returned to them, they want criminals to be stopped. You have better suggestion to maintain law and order?

> Sure, some perhaps many, people are corrupt and exercise power given to them for wrong ends. That's in the nature of power dynamics. Not abusing power is the exception to the rule. > You have better suggestion to maintain law and order? I think having the rules decided upon and enforced by the people (not some centralized institution that's disconnected from the social fabric) would help a lot. What would help even…

Representative/indirect democracy exist because'the people' can't make informed decisions. A regular parliament session in any bigger country (or the EU parliament) will vote on a dozen laws. No way to scale this to country level decisions. Even in Switzerland direct votes on an issue are the exception, not the norm.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by afjl »

zhengiszen wrote: post #169
dangerface wrote: post #116

> UK made illegal copies of classified personal information from a database reserved for members of the passport-free Schengen travel zone. The UK is not in the Schengen travel zone and had no right to be accessing the data or sharing it with other foreign powers. The problem is that too much power is collected in one place that encourages bad actors to weaken security so that they can later do a grab and dash with "…

The UK has even hacked the largest ISP of another EU member country (Belgium) without consequences. It is not the first time that a member of the 5 eyes alliance is caught red-handed...

Looking at your account, you seem to really enjoy bashing Anglo nations without adding much discussion.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by subsubsub »

Zenst wrote: post #63
benj111 wrote: post #56

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So how should the UK leave the EU? As the vote wasn't held on the basis of leaving without a deal, and you don't want a 2nd vote to ask an actionable question.

Actually no deal is what the government leaflet that they sent EVERYBODY who voted outlined. They said leaving the EU meant leaving the customs union and single market - that was pretty clear, that was what people understood from this and that is how they voted. Alas many for whom the vote did not go as intended, seem to feel that everybody else did not understand what they voted for. For me - staying in a customs un…

> "They said leaving the EU meant leaving the customs union and single market"

Not sure about leaflets (who reads these?), but the main point that people understood leave meant 'leave the customs union and single market' is correct.

The idea that people didn't understand this is a useful delusion for those who want to undo the result.

Source: Me, I was there. But also a quick google search: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fDn0MvcHQ4

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by Symbiote »

loopbit wrote: post #176
ptaipale wrote: post #166

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You claim the data does exist - but where did it come from? There has been no program to forcibly collect fingerprints of all EU citizens. There is some biometric data collected for Schengen passports, but not even close to all people even have a passport. And if you claim my biometric passport fingerprints are in that DB, you are claiming that the police in my country has performed a massive illegal data handover. I…

Maybe that data doesn't exist in your country. In mine, the police has the picture and fingerprints of everyone older than 12 years old and any younger person that needed an ID card for whatever reason, travelling being just one. Maybe that information has been shared with that database, maybe it hasn't. I have no way of knowing. Other EU countries have the same level of information about their citizens (and some rec…

I'm downvoting all the comments about "my country" without saying which country that is.

No useful discussion can result from comments like this.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by GavriloPrincep »

afjl wrote: post #227
zhengiszen wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UK has even hacked the largest ISP of another EU member country (Belgium) without consequences. It is not the first time that a member of the 5 eyes alliance is caught red-handed...

Looking at your account, you seem to really enjoy bashing Anglo nations without adding much discussion.

He told the truth and you attacked him. In this case he is in the right, and you the wrong.
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