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Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by justinclift »

Thiez wrote: post #88
fmajid wrote: post #28

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You can't commit treason against another country, since you never owed them allegiance in the first place.

And yet 'Assange' and 'treason' are often mentioned in the same sentence. Which is of course ridiculous for the reason you mention, but if I were in his shoes I would be very afraid they'd find a way to make those charges (or "lesser" charges that nevertheless result into you disappearing forever) stick.

Co-incidental timing?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/25/death-penalty-...

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by benj111 »

smcl wrote: post #104
s_y_n_t_a_x wrote: post #75

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It was never seriously discussed because Theresa May didn't believe in it. Now that there will be an actual supporter in charge, you'll probably see more action on it.

What does that matter? The point was that "hard brexit" wasn't raised as a real possibility by the Leave campaign before the referendum (in fact hard vs soft wasn't even a thing before the vote). The campaign was based on promises of a lovely favourable trade deals and a hybrid in-and-yet-out where it suited us arrangement. The fact that Boris is PM and he's A-OK with hard brexit doesn't change any of that. And I don…

Nit.

Hard Brexit is moving further away from Europe compared to a soft Brexit which would be something like Norway or closer.

What Teresa May was offering was a hard Brexit.

What Boris is proposing is a no deal Brexit

https://fullfact.org/europe/what-is-hard-brexit/

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by ricudis »

cat199 wrote: post #128
stordoff wrote: post #119

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Do you mean "Third country"? I have not come across the EU using "Third world country" officially.

not to mention that eu+us+uk does not equal the so-called '1st world' in it's entirety (see also: canada, japan), and also that there is some notion of a '2nd world' as well.

The confusion stems from the fact that most people perceive it as a "measure of economic development", while in fact it's political cold war terminology:

First world = US + close allies Second world = USSR + close allies Third world = Everybody else

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by noir_lord »

arethuza wrote: post #37
noir_lord wrote: post #6

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Not much to think about we completely and totally are. One of the things that came out of Snowden releases was just how bloody efficient and interconnectef GCHQ is with the NSA. It's rather typical that the most efficient government body appears to be the one used for spying on its own (and everyone else's) citizens. It's ok though as the new home secretary is a stable and sensible...no wait it's Priti "I had to resi…

I had a phone call with the Inland Revenue where they collected most of my details by an automated voice based system - which worked flawlessly . This came as a slight surprise as literally no other voice activated system works for me in any way that is remotely usable (Apple, Android, whatever is in my car...). I wonder where they get their voice recognition technology from? ;-)

If I was a cynic I'd say they seem to be remarkably efficient at doing the things we don't want and much less so the things we do.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by mnw21cam »

HenryBemis wrote: post #55
toyg wrote: post #41

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Yeah, it’s going to be Catalunya all over again. Except Scotland is not a little province, and if the SNP is forced underground, stuff will start to blow up for real.

Scotland has Oil. England has gone through so much trouble over so many centuries with murders, wars, manipulation, lies, propaganda, provocacia, and other dark methods to ensure that England will rule over the UK/GB, so Scotland and Northern Ireland (to leave UK/GB and rejoin it's natural/geographical state - Irelad) will have to try very hard for independence from England and towards EU. And it is a pity for this,…

I find it highly ironic to point out that it was actually Scotland that took over ruling England (James I and all that). It's not our fault he didn't like Edinburgh and decided to move down South.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by ptaipale »

dangerface wrote: post #83
ptaipale wrote: post #60

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>"will aggregate" This was an announced intention in April this year. The implementation of this decision probably needs further approvals and ratifications, and even after that, it takes time. The source material does not even exist, and I expect that in some EU countries collecting this data of all citizens will not be possible due to country legislation. Thus this is certainly far from complete, if even started at…

So we should wait until every one's details are leaked before deciding this is a bad idea because it will inevitably leak? This is like the police refusing to respond to death threats until the person is dead.

No. That is not what I wrote, nor is it what I implied.

I simply mean that the claim about fingerprints of 350 M EU citizens copied cannot be true.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by dangerface »

gnode wrote: post #141
dangerface wrote: post #89

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>The UK has a lot more in common politically and philosophically with the US than the EU. Not even close, let's take a basic fundamental US principle like the right to free speech, it doesn't exist in the UK. The UK has had relation ships with most of the European countries for longer than the US has existed. The UK has more import and exports with the EU that the US and because of geographic constraints this will no…

> US principle like the right to free speech, it doesn't exist in the UK. The UK has a right to freedom of expression in both common law and the Human Rights Act (incorporation of the European Convention on Human Rights). There are many exceptions, but that's also the case for the First Amendment of the United States' constitution. Both the UK and US have defamation laws, criminalise real threats, Official Secrets Ac…

> One could argue there is a better right to free speech in the US, and that it has stronger legal protections, but it's by no means absolute or beyond comparison with that of the UK.

Yes in the UK freedom of speech and religion is tolerated to an extent that exceeds the word of the very restrictive law, but the US has actual legal protections and a culture that protects those legal protections, there is a very big difference between the two.

You can compare the US free speech with our limited speech but at the end of the day Spain has free speech and privacy laws and culture thats way closer to the US than the UK nanny state.

There are other big differences between US and UK culture like GUNS! to name one

The only thing the UK and US hold in common is the want to have an empire. Oh and to steal brown people oil.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by dangerface »

ptaipale wrote: post #156
dangerface wrote: post #83

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So we should wait until every one's details are leaked before deciding this is a bad idea because it will inevitably leak? This is like the police refusing to respond to death threats until the person is dead.

No. That is not what I wrote, nor is it what I implied. I simply mean that the claim about fingerprints of 350 M EU citizens copied cannot be true.

The EU has been collecting fingerprints since 2004, they do have that data.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-eu-fingerprints/fingerprin...

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Post by philbarr »

s_y_n_t_a_x wrote: post #70
philbarr wrote: post #48

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Oh yeah, absolutely all of the people who voted leave were completely rational. Like my father-in-law who voted leave so we can send all them Indians back home.

Ah yes, the common, people didn't vote my way, so they must be crazy/racist/stupid. People had their reasons for voting the way they did, and you show your ignorance and lack of perspective when you dismiss their views like that. Calling people racist doesn't make opposing views go away, especially when over half the people in the country have those views. edit: Keep up the downvotes, it doesn't change anything.

Not all people who voted leave are racist, but all racists voted leave.

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Post by newsgremlin »

norswap wrote: post #51
seren wrote: post #24

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Even if I can understand some Brexit fatigue, I believe this is a short-sighted view, even if they are out of the EU, geography won't change, so the UK will have to keep cooperating with continental Europe. A weak UK, that would become the pawn of another super power, would be bad news, for both UK and EU. I think this is sad that UK is leaving but no matter what, they will remain our ally and partner.

If any positive may come out of this debacle, it's to set a precedent that leaving the EU is a bad idea.

Not necessarily a bad idea, unless you have other ideas as to which global power you will be under the influence of, or that your country can withstand such influences on its own.

There is no denying it, the meddling in foreign affairs from the western point of view shows that the influence of global powers on individual countries is very possible and this can easily come back around to bite you if you're not part of an equal or greater power.

The UK will be fine on it's own, because they have always been under the influence of a greater global political power.

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