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Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by toyg »

arethuza wrote: post #25
martin_a wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm totally with you. I wonder if UK should have left the EU even earlier and saved themselves and us a lot of hassle. I hope that the EU-friendly states might join again, but I think they would need to break up the UK for that, don't they?

It could all get very messy - I think it is is highly likely that Scotland will want a second independence referendum as a major argument for staying in the union the last time was that it meant Scotland would stay in the EU. However, I also think the current government is also unlikely to allow a second referendum, and it wouldn't surprise me if the Scottish Government decided to have one anyway. Edit: To be clear:…

Yeah, it’s going to be Catalunya all over again. Except Scotland is not a little province, and if the SNP is forced underground, stuff will start to blow up for real.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by _Understated_ »

tomxor wrote: post #29
malka wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

as a french, I cant wait for them to be out. They spent the last 50 years trying to sabotage the EU. They want to leave ? Good riddance.

> They want to leave ? Good riddance. As citizens at least, it's pretty well understood that in majority we don't want to leave, one half definitely doesn't, the other half are mostly a combination of naive, manipulated and coerced based on false claims and social media, some portion are not manipulated or naive but have settled on some narrow view of a very large and complex decision... and finally the minority (the…

> it's pretty well understood that in majority we don't want to leave, the other half are mostly a combination of naive, manipulated and coerced based on false claims and social media...

What?

There was a vote. A vote where everyone elligible had the chance to voice their opinion and the majority (albeit slim) said "we want out".

As for the slur of being naieve and manipulated that's bullshit (from my standpoint anyway).

You seem to be referring to people getting their news from social media... if that's their source then hell-mend them. Social media is an echo chamber. It's not designed for two-sided debates.

WRT to the false claims: If anyone actually believes that a politician has their interests at heart then they're delusional.

You seem to just be bitter that you (I assume) voted to stay in... I suppose you want another one until you get the result you would prefer!

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by empath75 »

daviddumenil wrote: post #5

This is a misleading title. The UK government gave access to US companies. There's currently no suggestion that the data moved to the US. More details here: https://euobserver.com/justice/145530

The US companies were working for the UK government as well, i think.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by bin0 »

draugadrotten wrote: post #4

This begs the question if UK/EU got a copy of all the US citizens ' fingerprints in return. It is possible to commit treason against your own country. Can someone commit treason against the EU? Is it a criminal offense?

How could you commit treason against the EU? You don't owe allegiance to her, nor does any one. The EU was never as cohesive as, say, America (an entity to which she has been compared). Different nations are party to different treaties, see this graph: https://europedirectemn.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/treaties...

They very much pick and choose to which treaties they wish to agree, and retain sovereignty. There are more things than treaties that define a nation - the people, culture, history, etc. Or to grab the definition off google, "a large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory." The EU does not really share those, to the extent of a proper nation.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by craftinator »

malka wrote: post #10
2a0c40 wrote: post #3

Sometimes I can‘t help thinking whether the UK is just the US‘ trojan horse in the EU. Well, things might change quite a bit after October 31st, so hurry up!

as a french, I cant wait for them to be out. They spent the last 50 years trying to sabotage the EU. They want to leave ? Good riddance.

As a french, you're great dipped in both ketchup and milkshakes. Dig that sweet and salty!

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by HenryBemis »

seren wrote: post #24
malka wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

as a french, I cant wait for them to be out. They spent the last 50 years trying to sabotage the EU. They want to leave ? Good riddance.

Even if I can understand some Brexit fatigue, I believe this is a short-sighted view, even if they are out of the EU, geography won't change, so the UK will have to keep cooperating with continental Europe. A weak UK, that would become the pawn of another super power, would be bad news, for both UK and EU. I think this is sad that UK is leaving but no matter what, they will remain our ally and partner.

UK has been actively acting on USA's interests for decades, nothing new here. I am a foreigner living in the and it saddens me, but you can't keep someone in a union by force.

UK economy will probably get damaged but it will recover (in a couple of decades) and we will all have to thank a) David Cameron, b) BoJo, c) the voters of "Leave" for that.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by smcl »

malka wrote: post #10
2a0c40 wrote: post #3

Sometimes I can‘t help thinking whether the UK is just the US‘ trojan horse in the EU. Well, things might change quite a bit after October 31st, so hurry up!

as a french, I cant wait for them to be out. They spent the last 50 years trying to sabotage the EU. They want to leave ? Good riddance.

"They" is a minority of the British population

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by philbarr »

_Understated_ wrote: post #42
tomxor wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They want to leave ? Good riddance. As citizens at least, it's pretty well understood that in majority we don't want to leave, one half definitely doesn't, the other half are mostly a combination of naive, manipulated and coerced based on false claims and social media, some portion are not manipulated or naive but have settled on some narrow view of a very large and complex decision... and finally the minority (the…

> it's pretty well understood that in majority we don't want to leave, the other half are mostly a combination of naive, manipulated and coerced based on false claims and social media... What? There was a vote. A vote where everyone elligible had the chance to voice their opinion and the majority (albeit slim) said "we want out". As for the slur of being naieve and manipulated that's bullshit (from my standpoint anyw…

Oh yeah, absolutely all of the people who voted leave were completely rational. Like my father-in-law who voted leave so we can send all them Indians back home.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by viraptor »

arethuza wrote: post #37
noir_lord wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not much to think about we completely and totally are. One of the things that came out of Snowden releases was just how bloody efficient and interconnectef GCHQ is with the NSA. It's rather typical that the most efficient government body appears to be the one used for spying on its own (and everyone else's) citizens. It's ok though as the new home secretary is a stable and sensible...no wait it's Priti "I had to resi…

I had a phone call with the Inland Revenue where they collected most of my details by an automated voice based system - which worked flawlessly . This came as a slight surprise as literally no other voice activated system works for me in any way that is remotely usable (Apple, Android, whatever is in my car...). I wonder where they get their voice recognition technology from? ;-)

Highly targeted voice recognition is much simpler to train, which makes endpoints like inland revenue much more accurate than generic voice assistants. In many cases this is a problem of "did you say one of these 20 things" vs "let's try to transcribe every one of these words from a full dictionary".
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