The give away is (twitter.com) - nothing from that source is even close to true.
Maybe check who is the author of the Twitter post...
The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System
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Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System
#102The title is incorrect. The Schengen Information System does not keep data for "all EU citizens", it only keeps such data for wanted persons, missing/stolen identity documents or objects (like cars, boats and so on). There is no centralized database for EU citizens photos or fingerprints (not even at national level in many countries).
Ok so it’s not all EU citizens What’s more interesting to me is in the Tweet: UK made illegals copies of hundreds of millions of people’s data (since you were mostly hung up on that, I qualified it better). Are you seeing the interesting takeaway?
HN self-polices the titles here pretty well. Correcting inaccurate titles is a regular occurrence on HN. I think it leads to a much better user experience. Wanting an accurate headline on HN does not have to conflate to a person not understanding or disagreeing with the linked content. It can just be a representation of an overall goal of the HN community to keep headlines accurate.
Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System
#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
"the majority (albeit slim) said "we want out"." The point is that isn't really actionable, it isn't a plan. Hard Brexit was discussed, soft Brexit was discussed, BRINO, Norway plus. Everyone voted for their own preferred Brexit, so now we're in the situation on which Brexit to implement, and no one can agree, so which Brexit to go for? And I would like to point out that no deal Brexit was never seriously discussed i…
> We were though promised that we would be able to leave the EU, keep access to the common market, and save ourselves £350 million a week, in what would be the 'easiest trade deal in human history'. If it sounds to good to be true, it usually is. Surely it isn't the case that more than half the voters really believed Brexit was going to be that easy?
The Murdoch press and their shills plus some of the other tabloids relentlessly and over decades systematically trashed the European project with lies, half-truth and other unsavory tactics.
How, exactly, do you expect a populace to make an informed decision under such a relentless assault?
Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
"the majority (albeit slim) said "we want out"." The point is that isn't really actionable, it isn't a plan. Hard Brexit was discussed, soft Brexit was discussed, BRINO, Norway plus. Everyone voted for their own preferred Brexit, so now we're in the situation on which Brexit to implement, and no one can agree, so which Brexit to go for? And I would like to point out that no deal Brexit was never seriously discussed i…
It was never seriously discussed because Theresa May didn't believe in it. Now that there will be an actual supporter in charge, you'll probably see more action on it.
What does that matter? The point was that "hard brexit" wasn't raised as a real possibility by the Leave campaign before the referendum (in fact hard vs soft wasn't even a thing before the vote). The campaign was based on promises of a lovely favourable trade deals and a hybrid in-and-yet-out where it suited us arrangement.
The fact that Boris is PM and he's A-OK with hard brexit doesn't change any of that. And I don't know what "more action" we could see - it is by very definition the zero-action option.
Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System
#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
"the majority (albeit slim) said "we want out"." The point is that isn't really actionable, it isn't a plan. Hard Brexit was discussed, soft Brexit was discussed, BRINO, Norway plus. Everyone voted for their own preferred Brexit, so now we're in the situation on which Brexit to implement, and no one can agree, so which Brexit to go for? And I would like to point out that no deal Brexit was never seriously discussed i…
> We were though promised that we would be able to leave the EU, keep access to the common market, and save ourselves £350 million a week, in what would be the 'easiest trade deal in human history'. If it sounds to good to be true, it usually is. Surely it isn't the case that more than half the voters really believed Brexit was going to be that easy?
Slightly less than half of voters voted for a concrete thing, slightly more than half voted for anything else.
Its like the tax cut someone else mentioned. Sure 52% of the population could vote in favour, are all of those going to vote in favour of a tax cut for the rich? Or a tax cut for the poor? Or for low carbon technologies? Or to support the coal mining industry.
And because there wasn't a 'plan' for Brexit there wasn't a decent conversation on any Brexit plan. You couldn't pin down the Brexiteers because as soon as you suggested that leaving the common market would damage the economy, they'd tell you we could stay in the common market.
To answer your question more directly, I don't think the level of integration was appreciated, Northern Ireland wasn't discussed at all. Further than that I'm not sure you can say anything about all Brexit voters because its such a broad church, as it was never defined.
Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System
#106The title is incorrect. The Schengen Information System does not keep data for "all EU citizens", it only keeps such data for wanted persons, missing/stolen identity documents or objects (like cars, boats and so on). There is no centralized database for EU citizens photos or fingerprints (not even at national level in many countries).
It also includes information of 3rd world country citizens'. Like passport info, photos, fingerprints, their visit to Schengen countries. When you apply for visa for Schengen countries, your info will be recorded on SIS. And stored there for 5 years. Note: EU uses the term "3rd world country" term themselves and Im citizen of one of those countries.
There is no visa information in the SIS, you are probably referring to a different system (maybe VIS). Yes, when you apply for visa you will probably be _searched_ in the SIS, but this will happen many times in the EU anyway (or even before approaching the EU - likely when boarding a flight to an EU country).
Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System
#107Sometimes I can‘t help thinking whether the UK is just the US‘ trojan horse in the EU. Well, things might change quite a bit after October 31st, so hurry up!
As they ask in Polanski's "The Ghost": Has the UK ever acted against US interests?
Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
Actually no deal is what the government leaflet that they sent EVERYBODY who voted outlined. They said leaving the EU meant leaving the customs union and single market - that was pretty clear, that was what people understood from this and that is how they voted. Alas many for whom the vote did not go as intended, seem to feel that everybody else did not understand what they voted for. For me - staying in a customs un…
I really wonder how many people will own up to their short-sighted visions and online evidence of those when the first bullets are fired in a shooting war in Western Europe in one of our possible futures. There is a very good chance that Brexit will be pointed at by future historians as the vote that changed history irrevocably.
You may be roght but i think you have causal relationships reversed.
World war 2 was set in motion the moment the WW1 peace agreement was codified.
Who is to say that WW3 was not started the moment an intrepid set of bureaucrats set about merging a diverse range of populations that have nothing in common whatsoever?
Remember Yugoslavia? Do you know what they did?
EU is yugoslavia 2.0
Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System
#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
as a french, I cant wait for them to be out. They spent the last 50 years trying to sabotage the EU. They want to leave ? Good riddance.
I will agree the UK has never really embraced the whole EU project as it has become. I also agree that in many votes, the UK has been the stumbling block and with that did anybody in the UK and those wanting to keep the UK in the EU ever asked themselves - what is best for the EU? I did and that is why I voted leave myself - better for the EU and the UK. That was my reason for voting as I did. Equally, many area's in…
> what has the UK done for the EU?
You do know that the driving force behind the Single Market was Margaret Thatcher? Much of its legislation was set up initially to benefit the UK, and still does. Quite apart from that, there are plenty of individual pieces of legislation that originate in the UK.
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2018/07/09/british-influence-...
I am very happy to agree that the UK has never fully felt at home in the EU, but it is definitely wrong to say that our membership was never in the EU's best interest.
Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System
#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
Actually no deal is what the government leaflet that they sent EVERYBODY who voted outlined. They said leaving the EU meant leaving the customs union and single market - that was pretty clear, that was what people understood from this and that is how they voted. Alas many for whom the vote did not go as intended, seem to feel that everybody else did not understand what they voted for. For me - staying in a customs un…
I really wonder how many people will own up to their short-sighted visions and online evidence of those when the first bullets are fired in a shooting war in Western Europe in one of our possible futures. There is a very good chance that Brexit will be pointed at by future historians as the vote that changed history irrevocably.
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