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Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by powi88nxjdi »

miahi wrote: post #7

The title is incorrect. The Schengen Information System does not keep data for "all EU citizens", it only keeps such data for wanted persons, missing/stolen identity documents or objects (like cars, boats and so on). There is no centralized database for EU citizens photos or fingerprints (not even at national level in many countries).

Ok so it’s not all EU citizens

What’s more interesting to me is in the Tweet: UK made illegals copies of hundreds of millions of people’s data (since you were mostly hung up on that, I qualified it better).

Are you seeing the interesting takeaway?

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by zoobab »

miahi wrote: post #7

The title is incorrect. The Schengen Information System does not keep data for "all EU citizens", it only keeps such data for wanted persons, missing/stolen identity documents or objects (like cars, boats and so on). There is no centralized database for EU citizens photos or fingerprints (not even at national level in many countries).

Is it enough to remove the "all"?

I understand not all EU citizens were in the database.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by powi88nxjdi »

yaris wrote: post #16
pknight wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>There is no centralized database for EU citizens photos or fingerprints (not even at national level in many countries). "The database will aggregate the details of more than 350 million people, including their identifying information, such as names, passport number, dates of birth, as well as biometrics like fingerprints and facial scans." https://www.computing.co.uk/ctg/news/3074472/eu-parliament-v...

The link suggests that this was announced in April this year. Do you think all the necessary DBs have already been connected? I would expect it to happen next year earliest.

So what if it was announced in April?

Do we really believe we ca trust these groups with this data?

This is like the Vogons justifying blowing up a planet because the paperwork was filed years ago.

It’s not about the details. It’s about trust in institutions and I’m pretty sure we can see we should have none with these official bodies and the corporate buddies they give our work away to

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by benj111 »

gingabriska wrote: post #35
2a0c40 wrote: post #3

Sometimes I can‘t help thinking whether the UK is just the US‘ trojan horse in the EU. Well, things might change quite a bit after October 31st, so hurry up!

UK along with its overseas territories are biggest investor in US stock.

Isn't the US the biggest investor in US stock?

Even if it's the largest foreign investor, that's not so surprising. It's the 5 largest economy in terms of GDP, the only ones bigger are the US, China (limited in how they move capital), Japan (luckily for their national debt, they prefer to buy domestic govt bonds), Germany (the only likely alternative for investing more).

Also London is a major finance capital, so it could just be British banks buying US stocks with money from Russian oligarchs or whatever.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by s_y_n_t_a_x »

benj111 wrote: post #65
_Understated_ wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's pretty well understood that in majority we don't want to leave, the other half are mostly a combination of naive, manipulated and coerced based on false claims and social media... What? There was a vote. A vote where everyone elligible had the chance to voice their opinion and the majority (albeit slim) said "we want out". As for the slur of being naieve and manipulated that's bullshit (from my standpoint anyw…

"the majority (albeit slim) said "we want out"." The point is that isn't really actionable, it isn't a plan. Hard Brexit was discussed, soft Brexit was discussed, BRINO, Norway plus. Everyone voted for their own preferred Brexit, so now we're in the situation on which Brexit to implement, and no one can agree, so which Brexit to go for? And I would like to point out that no deal Brexit was never seriously discussed i…

It was never seriously discussed because Theresa May didn't believe in it. Now that there will be an actual supporter in charge, you'll probably see more action on it.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by Thiez »

benj111 wrote: post #65
_Understated_ wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's pretty well understood that in majority we don't want to leave, the other half are mostly a combination of naive, manipulated and coerced based on false claims and social media... What? There was a vote. A vote where everyone elligible had the chance to voice their opinion and the majority (albeit slim) said "we want out". As for the slur of being naieve and manipulated that's bullshit (from my standpoint anyw…

"the majority (albeit slim) said "we want out"." The point is that isn't really actionable, it isn't a plan. Hard Brexit was discussed, soft Brexit was discussed, BRINO, Norway plus. Everyone voted for their own preferred Brexit, so now we're in the situation on which Brexit to implement, and no one can agree, so which Brexit to go for? And I would like to point out that no deal Brexit was never seriously discussed i…

> We were though promised that we would be able to leave the EU, keep access to the common market, and save ourselves £350 million a week, in what would be the 'easiest trade deal in human history'.

If it sounds to good to be true, it usually is. Surely it isn't the case that more than half the voters really believed Brexit was going to be that easy?

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by krona »

walligatorrr wrote: post #39
hnhg wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe just sabotage some federal aspirations but also did a lot to enhance and enlarge the free market aspects. What did France meaningfully contribute so we have a baseline for comparison?

France was a founding member of ECSC proposed by Robert Schuman, french prime minister, created by the Paris treaty and regarded as the premise of nowadays European union and expanded to up to 28 countries. France played an instrumental/leading role in building the very idea of a community of nations in europe. The contributions of that country toward European institutions are literally countless, but let’s name a fe…

building the very idea of a community of nations in europe

Like the League of Nations? And every other (defunt) supranational institution all the way back to Napoleon?

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by jacquesm »

Zenst wrote: post #63
benj111 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So how should the UK leave the EU? As the vote wasn't held on the basis of leaving without a deal, and you don't want a 2nd vote to ask an actionable question.

Actually no deal is what the government leaflet that they sent EVERYBODY who voted outlined. They said leaving the EU meant leaving the customs union and single market - that was pretty clear, that was what people understood from this and that is how they voted. Alas many for whom the vote did not go as intended, seem to feel that everybody else did not understand what they voted for. For me - staying in a customs un…

I really wonder how many people will own up to their short-sighted visions and online evidence of those when the first bullets are fired in a shooting war in Western Europe in one of our possible futures. There is a very good chance that Brexit will be pointed at by future historians as the vote that changed history irrevocably.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by bonjurkes »

miahi wrote: post #7

The title is incorrect. The Schengen Information System does not keep data for "all EU citizens", it only keeps such data for wanted persons, missing/stolen identity documents or objects (like cars, boats and so on). There is no centralized database for EU citizens photos or fingerprints (not even at national level in many countries).

It also includes information of 3rd world country citizens'. Like passport info, photos, fingerprints, their visit to Schengen countries.

When you apply for visa for Schengen countries, your info will be recorded on SIS. And stored there for 5 years.

Note: EU uses the term "3rd world country" term themselves and Im citizen of one of those countries.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by smcl »

barry-cotter wrote: post #54
toyg wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it’s going to be Catalunya all over again. Except Scotland is not a little province, and if the SNP is forced underground, stuff will start to blow up for real.

Support for Scottish independence is greater in England than it is in Scotland. The U.K. isn’t Spain, the English are no more likely to keep the Scots in by force than the Canadians were going to keep Quebec in by force.

That's nonsense. Some English might claim indifference or scoff at the idea of an independent Scotland. In reality however the UK is more a part of their identity than it is ours - Scotland splitting away literally kills off the concept of the "UK".

Force wouldn't even be needed however - Westminster can just brush off pleas for an independence referendum (they'll point towards the one we had a couple of years ago pre-Brexit ), there's no revolutionary movement and I really don't foresee one developing any time soon.

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