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Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by tharax »

crazygringo wrote: post #120
kpwags wrote: post #21

This is certainly a very good reason to not put your work account on your personal phone, but my primary reason not to is that it's my device and I pay for the service. If my company needs me to be available beyond my 9-5 workday, they can pay for it. If there's an emergency, they can always call, but I don't like being "always on".

> If my company needs me to be available beyond my 9-5 workday, they can pay for it. If you're salaried then they are paying you for it based on the job requirements, it's part of the job and one of the things that separates hourly employees from salaried ones. Unless you're talking about the cost of your cell plan or device? But even then, a lot of companies will pay for your plan and subsidize part/all of your devi…

No they are _not_. Salary is for 40 hours a week, +/- 5 hours depending on temporary circumstances.

Salary is not 40 hours working + 128 hours on call per week.

Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by robohoe »

cannonedhamster wrote: post #60
alistairSH wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does one know if an employer is abusing MDM? Honest question... I have no idea. I just point my iPhone's mail app at our Outlook 365 server and that's it - I assume that installs a profile that allows them some remote access (I believe they can remote wipe the phone, but maybe not), but no idea how to tell if they're doing anything else. Edit - looking at Settings->General->Profiles, there is one entry, which is…

Generally MDM software swallows up everything. It's been a while since I managed an MDM instance but we could track everywhere the employee went by default and when I suggested we turn it off there wasn't an option nor did management want to. We could see every app pretty much everything on the device. I will never install MDM on my phone after managing it. I've also seen phones accidentally wiped. Back up your phone…

I learned my lesson when in the early days of MDM, an employer I quit decided to erase my personal device that had work email on it. Live and learn :S

Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by HankB99 »

How many companies provide a company phone and allow the employee to use it for personal stuff? I thought that was the norm. I would question any company that expected me to provide my own phone to perform their tasks. Of course if they paid me enough, this would be negotiable.

Regardless, if I installed their remote monitoring S/W on my phone or used their phone, I would abandon any expectation of privacy on that device.

Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by djsumdog »

supergeek133 wrote: post #111
kpwags wrote: post #21

This is certainly a very good reason to not put your work account on your personal phone, but my primary reason not to is that it's my device and I pay for the service. If my company needs me to be available beyond my 9-5 workday, they can pay for it. If there's an emergency, they can always call, but I don't like being "always on".

No joke, we recently went to a BYOD model with no "assistance". I'm expected to be available 24/7 in most cases. So I'm refusing to be available until I get some compensation.

I'd leave. Unless you're a contractor who gets paid a lot and equipment costs are expected in that contract (similar to plumbers, carpenters, etc.) there is no reason for a full-time/salaried employ to purchase their own IT equipment. That's just insane.

Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by cascom »

bootsz wrote: post #39

While I sympathize with the privacy concerns, carrying two phones around is pretty much a dealbreaker for me.

It can be annoying sometimes, but honestly it can also be pretty cathartic to leave your work phone behind when you go for a bike ride, or out to dinner with friends etc.

Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by salixrosa »

jofer wrote: post #27

This "stop and think" warning is very good, but let's be honest, in many roles you can't say "no" anymore. Most companies require a significant subset of employees to use their personal device for work and have corporate accounts active on it. It may not be true for you personally, but I bet it is for most people who have on-call rotations. Features like Android's separate profiles are critical. We need similar sandb…

I've often thought that if everyone, or even a majority, said "no", then we could have better policies. As it is, I've been the only person at my last two workplaces to object, and there's no way they're going to put in the effort to work with me.

So it is that I've given permission to confiscate my personal cellphone in the case of a breach. Otherwise, I literally couldn't do my job -- not because of anything particular about our field or technology, but because it was easier to set things up the way they are. We could spend a few days changing our alert structures, etc, and no-one would have to have "sensitive" data on their personal phones. But that's not going to happen for one employee.

Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by michaelmior »

tharax wrote: post #131
crazygringo wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If my company needs me to be available beyond my 9-5 workday, they can pay for it. If you're salaried then they are paying you for it based on the job requirements, it's part of the job and one of the things that separates hourly employees from salaried ones. Unless you're talking about the cost of your cell plan or device? But even then, a lot of companies will pay for your plan and subsidize part/all of your devi…

No they are _not_. Salary is for 40 hours a week, +/- 5 hours depending on temporary circumstances. Salary is not 40 hours working + 128 hours on call per week.

This of course depends on your particular employment contract. In some cases, someone may agree to be on call whenever they're not working and AFAIK (IANAL) such contracts are legal in some circumstances.

Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by dancek »

crazygringo wrote: post #120
kpwags wrote: post #21

This is certainly a very good reason to not put your work account on your personal phone, but my primary reason not to is that it's my device and I pay for the service. If my company needs me to be available beyond my 9-5 workday, they can pay for it. If there's an emergency, they can always call, but I don't like being "always on".

> If my company needs me to be available beyond my 9-5 workday, they can pay for it. If you're salaried then they are paying you for it based on the job requirements, it's part of the job and one of the things that separates hourly employees from salaried ones. Unless you're talking about the cost of your cell plan or device? But even then, a lot of companies will pay for your plan and subsidize part/all of your devi…

Depends on the jurisdiction. I think there's a clear separation of work time and free time in most of Europe. Here in Finland an employee can never be forced to work over their daily working time (usually 7.5h between 8-5); doing so is always voluntary, though of course pressuring exists. For force majeure circumstances there's the legal concept of emergency work, but that's very rarely invoked.

Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by kinkrtyavimoodh »

kpwags wrote: post #21

This is certainly a very good reason to not put your work account on your personal phone, but my primary reason not to is that it's my device and I pay for the service. If my company needs me to be available beyond my 9-5 workday, they can pay for it. If there's an emergency, they can always call, but I don't like being "always on".

So it would be ok if your employer paid 60 bucks a month to foot your phone bill? Be careful what you wish for.
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