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Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by supergeek133 »

kpwags wrote: post #21

This is certainly a very good reason to not put your work account on your personal phone, but my primary reason not to is that it's my device and I pay for the service. If my company needs me to be available beyond my 9-5 workday, they can pay for it. If there's an emergency, they can always call, but I don't like being "always on".

No joke, we recently went to a BYOD model with no "assistance". I'm expected to be available 24/7 in most cases. So I'm refusing to be available until I get some compensation.

Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by ianai »

supergeek133 wrote: post #111
kpwags wrote: post #21

This is certainly a very good reason to not put your work account on your personal phone, but my primary reason not to is that it's my device and I pay for the service. If my company needs me to be available beyond my 9-5 workday, they can pay for it. If there's an emergency, they can always call, but I don't like being "always on".

No joke, we recently went to a BYOD model with no "assistance". I'm expected to be available 24/7 in most cases. So I'm refusing to be available until I get some compensation.

Expect to be fired. That’s, unfortunately, the labor market reality.

Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by closeparen »

bronco21016 wrote: post #108
souterrain wrote: post #33

If your employer subscribes to an ethical model which permits them to abuse MDM, viewing your web history and tracking your location, you need to do more than remove your personal device from their control. You must find a new employer—preferably while you make public this repulsive behavior.

My employer and I are bound by a working agreement negotiated through my union. The contract has privacy protections for many different types of personal information and data that could potentially be accessed or collected by the company. Think location data, data at rest on both personal and company devices, and network traffic. Here’s the big issue I still have even with all of these ‘legal’ protections. The defini…

I declined corporate MDM on my personal phone. I’m confident that abuse of my data would be against policy, but I don’t feel like taking the risk that our technical controls can or will guarantee adherence to policy. At the end of the day, whatever agreements are in place, someone has access.

I’ll take that kind of risk with i.e. Google employees and my Google searches, because it’s fundamentally necessary to provide me good search. There is just no reason to do it with my corporate security team and personal SMS.

Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by asark »

ianai wrote: post #112
supergeek133 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No joke, we recently went to a BYOD model with no "assistance". I'm expected to be available 24/7 in most cases. So I'm refusing to be available until I get some compensation.

Expect to be fired. That’s, unfortunately, the labor market reality.

Labor market reality's also that everyone's falling over themselves to hire developers. Won't last, but that's what's up right now.

Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by Tepix »

saagarjha wrote: post #12

> On Android, there are tools that help prevent IT from reaching into your phone. If it’s allowed by your admin, you can create a separate “work” profile that contains sandboxed versions of your apps to avoid blurring the line between personal and work. The work profile can then be disabled on demand and flipped back on only when you need it, providing a level of control that iOS doesn’t yet allow. This is changing w…

Exactly. It's surprising that the article doesn't mention iOS 13 and user enrollment which hopefully solves the issue.

Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by lgunsch »

Uptrenda wrote: post #73

If you have a recent Samsung phone there is a feature called 'Knox' that splits off your personal files from the work-related stuff. Knox is like a secure container that's fully isolated from the rest of the phone -- like a phone within a phone. Knox cannot access your personal files so the assertion that it can 'wipe your data' or spy on you would be incorrect (it only works with the container.) What the article men…

This is true of Android work profiles too. The MDM solutions I've seen use Android work profiles underneath, so your never in risk of your work accessing personal photos or data. The work profile and all work apps are in the septate container.

Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by godshatter »

phjesusthatguy3 wrote: post #32
scarface74 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it doesn’t require an MDM profile, I have no problem putting my work email on my personal phone. I don’t want to carry around two devices.

That is totally understandable, and I hope you don't get in trouble when law enforcement comes looking for your personal device that somehow got caught up in their list of devices to look for.

Is this really high on your list of things to worry about? If someone doing something illegal sends me an email that happens to go to my work account that happens to be on my phone, law enforcement will just go to my employer. If someone sends me classified military secrets or something to my work account for some reason that gets sent to my phone, they can track me down, show me a warrant, and go to town. I rank that concern just above "what if I have a doppelganger that happens to be a spy and they get a hit on my face with facial recognition?" on my list of things to worry about.

Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by [deleted] »

supergeek133 wrote: post #111
kpwags wrote: post #21

This is certainly a very good reason to not put your work account on your personal phone, but my primary reason not to is that it's my device and I pay for the service. If my company needs me to be available beyond my 9-5 workday, they can pay for it. If there's an emergency, they can always call, but I don't like being "always on".

No joke, we recently went to a BYOD model with no "assistance". I'm expected to be available 24/7 in most cases. So I'm refusing to be available until I get some compensation.

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Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by crazygringo »

kpwags wrote: post #21

This is certainly a very good reason to not put your work account on your personal phone, but my primary reason not to is that it's my device and I pay for the service. If my company needs me to be available beyond my 9-5 workday, they can pay for it. If there's an emergency, they can always call, but I don't like being "always on".

> If my company needs me to be available beyond my 9-5 workday, they can pay for it.

If you're salaried then they are paying you for it based on the job requirements, it's part of the job and one of the things that separates hourly employees from salaried ones.

Unless you're talking about the cost of your cell plan or device? But even then, a lot of companies will pay for your plan and subsidize part/all of your device if they have a legitimate work reason to need to contact you and expect a fairly quick response outside the office.

EDIT: To be clear I'm referring to US law/practices. The entire point of salaried as opposed to hourly work is that it is based on performance rather than hours, and it's up to you and your employer to come to agreement on what performance means. At some companies salary might be for 40 hours, at others it's for 60 or 80 regularly. It's your own responsibility to find out before taking the job, and decide for yourself what you're willing to provide or not.

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