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After man says dog dewormer cured his cancer, researchers look into treatment

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Re: After man says dog dewormer cured his cancer, researchers look into treatment

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Post by eitland »

rlpb wrote: post #35
inlined wrote: post #34

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News outlets have relied on advertising to make their content accessible and still profitable since the 1830s[0]. It would be in immense industry shift to change from and advertising based model. The GDPR also holds you liable for your outsourced work, which means that any ad network that serves a single malicious ad violating GDPR could make you violate the law. It’s a tough conflict. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/…

The GDPR does not prevent you from serving ads. The ads being served in the 1830s, for example, would not have been in violation of the GDPR had it been in force at the time.

This is correct.

GP says:

> News outlets have relied on advertising to make their content accessible and still profitable since the 1830s[0]. It would be in immense industry shift to change from and advertising based model.

But the immense shift has already been happening, just the other way, -away from a somewhat acceptable kind of contextual advertising model ("put my ad next to the recipes pages") to the current dragnet surveillance behavioural advertising model.

What is needed isn't much more than going back to 2009 or when it was Google bought Doubleclick, when the separation between shady spyware, passive ads and content was somewhat clear.

Of course this would be expensive, in the same way that getting your buildings fire safe would be expensive after you've relied on lack of inspections to rake in rents for years from cheap housing.

Meta: HN could need a feature to "flag" when someone is abusing downvotes like on parent comment. I can always send a mail as I sometimes do, but I guess a way to flag for general moderator attention would improve reporting of such abuses.

The comment is trivially easy to prove right, points out an important detail and is still downvoted.

Re: After man says dog dewormer cured his cancer, researchers look into treatment

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Post by chiefalchemist »

warent wrote: post #68
chiefalchemist wrote: post #66

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-3 votes. HN is so predictable sometimes.

I don't think it's because you're saying placebo is powerful. It's because you're anecdotally suggesting that there's some group of people who think that placebo has no place in science, and then you're connecting that hypothetical group of people to the HN community. The predictability is a good thing I think. If you fart in an elevator, people will predictably be disgusted. It's about social expectations.

". It's because you're anecdotally suggesting that there's some group of people who think that placebo has no place in science, "

I'm suggesting that __science__ has suggested (to some people) that - despite the science - the placebo has no place in solutions/cures. That science is the only hope.

Not only does that subvert placebos, it's self-fulfilling for science. The problem is, science's success rate still comes up shorts.

That's not anecdotal.

Re: After man says dog dewormer cured his cancer, researchers look into treatment

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Post by warent »

chiefalchemist wrote: post #72
warent wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's because you're saying placebo is powerful. It's because you're anecdotally suggesting that there's some group of people who think that placebo has no place in science, and then you're connecting that hypothetical group of people to the HN community. The predictability is a good thing I think. If you fart in an elevator, people will predictably be disgusted. It's about social expectations.

". It's because you're anecdotally suggesting that there's some group of people who think that placebo has no place in science, " I'm suggesting that __science__ has suggested (to some people) that - despite the science - the placebo has no place in solutions/cures. That science is the only hope. Not only does that subvert placebos, it's self-fulfilling for science. The problem is, science's success rate still comes…

Who exactly are the "people" when you say "to some people?"

Specifically what science has suggested that placebo has no place in solutions/cures?

Cures for what?

Despite what science?

What success rate still comes short?

Short of what? Success with respect to what?

Everything you're saying is completely anecdotal and somewhat difficult to follow, unfortunately.

There's nothing wrong with being anecdotal, just acknowledge it and recognize that it's pretty flimsy for any kind of argument, especially generalizations. I often make comments saying "Anecdotally..." And then I provide opinions which are frequently shown to be inaccurate. Nobody downvotes me because I'm not trying to sell my opinions as facts or common sense.

If you don't want to be dismissed then provide specific evidence or research.

Re: After man says dog dewormer cured his cancer, researchers look into treatment

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Post by pojzon »

rubyfan wrote: post #42
pojzon wrote: post #33

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Not sure if I understood correctly. Metronidazol helps to keep inflammation at bay ? Im asking because I was taking this antibiotic and Ive seen huge change in my skin inflammation, joint pains and bowel pains.

Change for better or for worse?

For better, funny enough I got it for completely different condition.

Re: After man says dog dewormer cured his cancer, researchers look into treatment

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Post by atombender »

WalterSear wrote: post #58
pojzon wrote: post #33

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Not sure if I understood correctly. Metronidazol helps to keep inflammation at bay ? Im asking because I was taking this antibiotic and Ive seen huge change in my skin inflammation, joint pains and bowel pains.

Is Psoriasis a bowel disease? Successful treatment with bile acids and bioflavonoids suggests it is. https://sci-hub.tw/10.1016/j.clindermatol.2018.03.011 Fwiw: The article actually suggests that Psoriasis, (and IMHO, by extension, potentially autoimmune disease in general), are associated with liver dysfunction, driven by bowel disease.

I've read that paper. It's fascinating.

The research and resulting protocol is inspired by an earlier Hungarian study in 2003 [1] that was able to seemingly cure psoriasis in 79% of its 500 test subjects. We don't know for sure; but 2 years later, 58% were still in complete remission. To be clear, that's a completely unheard-of result in psoriasis research.

All current, "mainstream" forms of treatment for psoriasis only treat the symptoms, not the cause. Even the newest, most advanced immune-suppressing biologics are merely stupid off buttons for the signaling misfiring that causes the superficial symptoms; meanwhile, psoriasis sufferers have much-higher-than-average incidences of cancer, liver disease, heart disease, IBD and so on. Treatments only keep the skin/joint symptoms at bay, and require the patient to continue taking the drugs, which tend to stop working after a while.

Pretty excited about this direction in psoriasis research.

[1] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S092846800...

Re: After man says dog dewormer cured his cancer, researchers look into treatment

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Post by nathan_f77 »

tepidandroid wrote: post #19

Not to oversimplify the complexities of cancer or anything, but for some reason, Peter Hintjens’ (creator of zeromq) suspicions about the primary cause of his own cancer came to mind after reading this [1]. ”As for not getting cancer… the probable cause in my case was a parasite called a liver fluke, which attaches to the bile duct and produces carcinogens. Nature is nice like that. The parasite comes from farmed fre…

Thanks for your comment! I've been living in SE Asia for a few years, but I don't think I've eaten any raw freshwater fish. I eat a lot of sushi, but that's always saltwater fish. Anyway, I'll make sure I get checked for liver flukes.

Re: After man says dog dewormer cured his cancer, researchers look into treatment

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Post by WalterSear »

atombender wrote: post #75
WalterSear wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is Psoriasis a bowel disease? Successful treatment with bile acids and bioflavonoids suggests it is. https://sci-hub.tw/10.1016/j.clindermatol.2018.03.011 Fwiw: The article actually suggests that Psoriasis, (and IMHO, by extension, potentially autoimmune disease in general), are associated with liver dysfunction, driven by bowel disease.

I've read that paper. It's fascinating. The research and resulting protocol is inspired by an earlier Hungarian study in 2003 [1] that was able to seemingly cure psoriasis in 79% of its 500 test subjects. We don't know for sure; but 2 years later, 58% were still in complete remission. To be clear, that's a completely unheard-of result in psoriasis research. All current, "mainstream" forms of treatment for psoriasis o…

Fwiw, I've found infrared induced hyperthermia to be extremely useful, but it's gruelling, time consuming and has a very short period of effect. I've been performing it most days for ~12 months.

"...nine cycles of whole-body hyperthermia (target body core temperature, 38.5 degrees C; duration, 50 min)... caused a significant reduction of all cytokines by 40-50%"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19089489

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6263304/

I started the protocol outlined in Dr. Ely's paper recently. It seems to have reduced my symptoms somewhat, but it's too early to tell for sure.

Re: After man says dog dewormer cured his cancer, researchers look into treatment

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Post by londons_explore »

wbhart wrote: post #55

I once saw a case on a conspiracy forum of a guy who claimed that taking worming tablets had cured his cancer. It wasn't a clear case to me, as he'd also been taking traditional chemo. His doctors apparently told him that the worm tablets he was taking were harmless and he could go on taking them, but the doctor didn't think it had any effect on his cancer. The real issue I have with this sort of reporting is that th…

> Controlled, double blind, randomized trials are the only way we can know whether these anecdotes have anything to them.

The problem is they're too damn expensive. There is a huge number of people willing to put almost anything in their body in the hope it might help (animal remedies, herbs, homeopathic remedies, etc).

If we could harness these people into cheap double-blind trials, we could advance science much quicker and cheaper. I'm thinking something along the lines of "you tell us what pseudoscience remedy you want, and we'll return either it or a placebo with 50/50 chance, and then you self-report the results to us".

Re: After man says dog dewormer cured his cancer, researchers look into treatment

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Post by rubyfan »

pojzon wrote: post #74
rubyfan wrote: post #42

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Change for better or for worse?

For better, funny enough I got it for completely different condition.

Did the cipro help long term or only during the treatment?
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