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After man says dog dewormer cured his cancer, researchers look into treatment

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Re: After man says dog dewormer cured his cancer, researchers look into treatment

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Post by hrbf »

Spixel wrote: post #2

451: Unavailable due to legal reasons We recognize you are attempting to access this website from a country belonging to the European Economic Area (EEA) including the EU which enforces the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and therefore access cannot be granted at this time. For any issues, contact web@tulsaworld.com or call 918-581-8300.

I'm pretty sure this is a wrong use of the spirit of HTTP code 451. It is meant for censorship by external forces like governments. If you block people from legislations that don’t allow invasive tracking by default, it’s you doing the censorship, for economic gain no less.

Re: After man says dog dewormer cured his cancer, researchers look into treatment

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Post by cheald »

mattlondon wrote: post #57
cheald wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The GDPR might assert that they're bound, but an Oklahoma-based business with no business presence or assets inside the EU isn't bound by EU law. This is pretty much the foundation of national sovereignty. How would an EU enforcer actually enforce the GDPR in this case? Unless there's been a violation of a trade agreement, any attempt to apply EU law to a US-based company operating on US soil is going to be utterly i…

No any company that deals with people in the EU (even non-EU citizens physically in the EU) needs to obey GDPR - simple site explaining it simply here: https://www.compliancejunction.com/countries-subject-gdpr-pr... Geo location for IPs is a very inexact science so they almost certainly are processing EU citizens' data. Hell I can access it with a VPN while sat in the EU so yep, they are liable if they store anything…

I understand what the GDPR _says_, but I'm saying that there's a vast difference between "what it asserts it can enforce" and "what can actually be enforced". A law that can't be enforced doesn't mean much.

Governments enforce their laws with the threat of depriving you of your assets or personal liberty. In order to do that, they have to first have the power (via unchallenged jurisdiction) to deprive you of assets or liberty. In this case, unless the EU can get the US to enforce EU law on US soil, or to extradite offenders to the EU, the GDPR has no teeth.

Re: After man says dog dewormer cured his cancer, researchers look into treatment

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Post by bobowzki »

tepidandroid wrote: post #19

Not to oversimplify the complexities of cancer or anything, but for some reason, Peter Hintjens’ (creator of zeromq) suspicions about the primary cause of his own cancer came to mind after reading this [1]. ”As for not getting cancer… the probable cause in my case was a parasite called a liver fluke, which attaches to the bile duct and produces carcinogens. Nature is nice like that. The parasite comes from farmed fre…

Thanks, I really enjoyed that blog post!

Re: After man says dog dewormer cured his cancer, researchers look into treatment

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Post by izuchukwu »

It does appear that anti-cancer effects have been discovered in research in both Fenbendazole [0][1][2], the treatment that he used, as well as related anti-helmintics like Flubendazole [3], specifically when paired with certain vitamins like Vitamin E rather than when administered alone.

Flubendazole’s particularly interesting as it’s already FDA-approved for human use.

[0]: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2687140/ [1]: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-30158-6 [2]:https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2017/03/406321/deworming-pill-may-... [3]: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/25811972/

Re: After man says dog dewormer cured his cancer, researchers look into treatment

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Post by chiefalchemist »

warent wrote: post #56
chiefalchemist wrote: post #54

Probably not a popular position here on HN but I'm becoming more and more intrigued by the power of a placebo. Furthermore, it's possible we are often undermining a placebo's power but telling ourselves it's science and only science that can save us - even tho', trust is, the placebo effect is very real. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/05/melanie...

I'm not sure why it wouldn't be a popular position. There are countless scientific studies demonstrating the efficacy of placebo. The human mind is a powerful thing.

-3 votes. HN is so predictable sometimes.

Re: After man says dog dewormer cured his cancer, researchers look into treatment

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Post by jcims »

wbhart wrote: post #55

I once saw a case on a conspiracy forum of a guy who claimed that taking worming tablets had cured his cancer. It wasn't a clear case to me, as he'd also been taking traditional chemo. His doctors apparently told him that the worm tablets he was taking were harmless and he could go on taking them, but the doctor didn't think it had any effect on his cancer. The real issue I have with this sort of reporting is that th…

Unfortunately there appear to be zero references to this drug at clinicaltrials.gov.

Re: After man says dog dewormer cured his cancer, researchers look into treatment

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Post by warent »

chiefalchemist wrote: post #66
warent wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure why it wouldn't be a popular position. There are countless scientific studies demonstrating the efficacy of placebo. The human mind is a powerful thing.

-3 votes. HN is so predictable sometimes.

I don't think it's because you're saying placebo is powerful. It's because you're anecdotally suggesting that there's some group of people who think that placebo has no place in science, and then you're connecting that hypothetical group of people to the HN community.

The predictability is a good thing I think. If you fart in an elevator, people will predictably be disgusted. It's about social expectations.

Re: After man says dog dewormer cured his cancer, researchers look into treatment

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Post by echelon »

eitland wrote: post #52
jimmaswell wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think all of Europe's wacky internet laws are bad. Literally nobody except maybe Richard Stallman was pining for websites to need cookie popups and need affirmative consent to log their IP address.

There’s no part of the GDPR that requires the current mess or where the current mess should help anyone, that is if I’m not totally wrong. In fact it is so far from the letter and spirit of the law that I find it odd that any company with a significant internet presence, that should have access to competent lawyers can misinterpret it so badly. Then again, European companies burn themselves in USA all the time on bas…

You've got a good understanding, but there are a few other pieces:

- An EU citizen can ask to be expunged (aka "right to be forgotten") from your system, and you must delete all records you have on the person. It can't be anonymized or soft deleted - it must be entirely scrubbed of PII or destroyed.

- An EU citizen can invoke "data export" and ask for any and all information you maintain on them. Anything you store that is foreign keyed to them is fair game. You must provide it all in a format they can download and read. JSON dumps of all the records is probably sufficient.

IANAL, and I'm pretty sure I haven't covered everything. It's a pretty broad law.

Re: After man says dog dewormer cured his cancer, researchers look into treatment

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Post by eitland »

echelon wrote: post #69
eitland wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s no part of the GDPR that requires the current mess or where the current mess should help anyone, that is if I’m not totally wrong. In fact it is so far from the letter and spirit of the law that I find it odd that any company with a significant internet presence, that should have access to competent lawyers can misinterpret it so badly. Then again, European companies burn themselves in USA all the time on bas…

You've got a good understanding, but there are a few other pieces: - An EU citizen can ask to be expunged (aka "right to be forgotten") from your system, and you must delete all records you have on the person. It can't be anonymized or soft deleted - it must be entirely scrubbed of PII or destroyed. - An EU citizen can invoke "data export" and ask for any and all information you maintain on them. Anything you store t…

You are right. I considered adding something about this as well, but I was specifially countering this part (and my post was alreadt long enough):

> Literally nobody except maybe Richard Stallman was pining for websites to need cookie popups and need affirmative consent to log their IP address.

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