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After man says dog dewormer cured his cancer, researchers look into treatment

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Re: After man says dog dewormer cured his cancer, researchers look into treatment

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Not to oversimplify the complexities of cancer or anything, but for some reason, Peter Hintjens’ (creator of zeromq) suspicions about the primary cause of his own cancer came to mind after reading this [1]. ”As for not getting cancer… the probable cause in my case was a parasite called a liver fluke, which attaches to the bile duct and produces carcinogens. Nature is nice like that. The parasite comes from farmed fre…

Liver flukes have an outsized impact on Americans as well, specifically Vietnam vets:

https://www.livescience.com/61057-liver-flukes-vietnam-veter...

To avoid them, make sure freshwater fish in SE Asia is fully cooked.

Re: After man says dog dewormer cured his cancer, researchers look into treatment

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451: Unavailable due to legal reasons We recognize you are attempting to access this website from a country belonging to the European Economic Area (EEA) including the EU which enforces the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and therefore access cannot be granted at this time. For any issues, contact web@tulsaworld.com or call 918-581-8300.

This is one of the many viable options US companies have for dealing with EU traffic. GDPR compliance can be extremely expensive to implement, especially for complex software comprised of thousands of microservices that handle customer data. And imagine working in an industry where data retention is legally mandated by other jurisdictions... I'm not saying GDPR is bad (I'm all in favor!), but the costs can be quite l…

> GDPR compliance can be extremely expensive to implement

I always find this argument a bit skewed.

Yes, it is expensive if your site has more js than content and if your business model is to overtrack and overprofile your readers

On the other hand a static page is GDPR compliant. Doesn't seem to be too expensive to implement.

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451: Unavailable due to legal reasons We recognize you are attempting to access this website from a country belonging to the European Economic Area (EEA) including the EU which enforces the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and therefore access cannot be granted at this time. For any issues, contact web@tulsaworld.com or call 918-581-8300.

This is one of the many viable options US companies have for dealing with EU traffic. GDPR compliance can be extremely expensive to implement, especially for complex software comprised of thousands of microservices that handle customer data. And imagine working in an industry where data retention is legally mandated by other jurisdictions... I'm not saying GDPR is bad (I'm all in favor!), but the costs can be quite l…

> GDPR compliance can be extremely expensive to implement, especially for complex software comprised of thousands of microservices that handle customer data. And imagine working in an industry where data retention is legally mandated by other jurisdictions...

I only know of the broad strokes of GDPR, but wouldn't the costs be mostly mitigated if one just decided to not collect data? I thought the cost was really only borne if an entity decided to collect and retain data.

Re: After man says dog dewormer cured his cancer, researchers look into treatment

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Seems to be the same as this: https://www.odditycentral.com/news/man-claims-cheap-dog-dewo... Apologies if this is stolen content etc. but I can't read the original in the EU apparently.

This URL also returns “Not found” in the EU.

Sorry, I removed 1 character too much when I cut off the tracking stuff. It's .html, not .htm (fixed).

Re: After man says dog dewormer cured his cancer, researchers look into treatment

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451: Unavailable due to legal reasons We recognize you are attempting to access this website from a country belonging to the European Economic Area (EEA) including the EU which enforces the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and therefore access cannot be granted at this time. For any issues, contact web@tulsaworld.com or call 918-581-8300.

How can countries even be accurately detected? IP lookup table? Blindly guessing based on the Accept-Language header?

Re: After man says dog dewormer cured his cancer, researchers look into treatment

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This is one of the many viable options US companies have for dealing with EU traffic. GDPR compliance can be extremely expensive to implement, especially for complex software comprised of thousands of microservices that handle customer data. And imagine working in an industry where data retention is legally mandated by other jurisdictions... I'm not saying GDPR is bad (I'm all in favor!), but the costs can be quite l…

> GDPR compliance can be extremely expensive to implement I always find this argument a bit skewed. Yes, it is expensive if your site has more js than content and if your business model is to overtrack and overprofile your readers On the other hand a static page is GDPR compliant. Doesn't seem to be too expensive to implement.

Their site, their rules

Re: After man says dog dewormer cured his cancer, researchers look into treatment

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is one of the many viable options US companies have for dealing with EU traffic. GDPR compliance can be extremely expensive to implement, especially for complex software comprised of thousands of microservices that handle customer data. And imagine working in an industry where data retention is legally mandated by other jurisdictions... I'm not saying GDPR is bad (I'm all in favor!), but the costs can be quite l…

> GDPR compliance can be extremely expensive to implement... Bullshit. It's trivial to implement. Don't store my personal data. Done. It may be extremely expensive to store and process my personal data and remain GDPR compliant, if you insist on doing that. And admittedly it may be expensive to store and process others' personal data while excluding EU citizens from that mechanism. But the blanket statement "GDPR com…

It is not trivial for publishers who have years of adding advertising and analytics tools to their website to come up with a strategy for peeling these back or checking compliance. If I had a blog, it would be easy for me to check and decide what to remove or modify. But being part of an organization means that most of the shit on a publisher’s network is a manager’s baby project and is going to require meetings, ego stroking, and if you suggest a change then revenue drops, you will be prime suspect. Not to mention months of managers saying — “well we used to have this really great analytics platform that helped me steer this company but now I can’t do my job because so and so deactivated X”. For many of the tools you might have a contract with a company to provide service. They have people specifically hired to be persuasive calling your leadership to try to keep the relationship going, so they will fight to keep you as a customer. I think the interesting thing is that you can’t pass the buck, you are ultimately responsible for providing compliance, not just choosing tools that claim compliance.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is one of the many viable options US companies have for dealing with EU traffic. GDPR compliance can be extremely expensive to implement, especially for complex software comprised of thousands of microservices that handle customer data. And imagine working in an industry where data retention is legally mandated by other jurisdictions... I'm not saying GDPR is bad (I'm all in favor!), but the costs can be quite l…

> GDPR compliance can be extremely expensive to implement... Bullshit. It's trivial to implement. Don't store my personal data. Done. It may be extremely expensive to store and process my personal data and remain GDPR compliant, if you insist on doing that. And admittedly it may be expensive to store and process others' personal data while excluding EU citizens from that mechanism. But the blanket statement "GDPR com…

> Bullshit. It's trivial to implement. Don't store my personal data. Done.

Tell that to the dozens of engineers that spent months on GDPR compliance at my company.

I personally spent two weeks making sure my systems had both export and deletion capability. These systems were engineered for soft delete data retention and maintaining change logs across writes. In several different databases. And offline data warehouses. And feeds consumed by downstream systems.

> But the blanket statement "GDPR compliance can be extremely expensive to implement" is on its own extremely misleading in this context.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Every system out there handling personal information needs to be re-engineered. Soft deletes, change logs, feeds, plumbing between microservices, data validation logic, primary keys and foreign keys with PII, on and on... it all needs to be changed to handle new APIs: delete and export. That requires a lot of work to do correctly and capture all of the surface area.

> Perhaps, but this is not relevant to a news organisation publishing a general article online from the USA

Maybe they can't afford to change things? Sure, they might be collecting too much information in order to sell ads, but they have to decide if the EU traffic is worth rebuilding what they already have in place.

Don't take a gut value judgement about GDPR being the right thing to do and equate it to being inexpensive. It is not.

Re: After man says dog dewormer cured his cancer, researchers look into treatment

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is one of the many viable options US companies have for dealing with EU traffic. GDPR compliance can be extremely expensive to implement, especially for complex software comprised of thousands of microservices that handle customer data. And imagine working in an industry where data retention is legally mandated by other jurisdictions... I'm not saying GDPR is bad (I'm all in favor!), but the costs can be quite l…

> GDPR compliance can be extremely expensive to implement, especially for complex software comprised of thousands of microservices that handle customer data. And imagine working in an industry where data retention is legally mandated by other jurisdictions... I only know of the broad strokes of GDPR, but wouldn't the costs be mostly mitigated if one just decided to not collect data? I thought the cost was really only…

Assuming the retainment of data leads to revenue, then you have 4 options

1. Implement GDPR globally, reduced profit globally (by bearing cost of gdpr)

2. Implement GDPR in EU only, and only see reduced profit in EU. Also have two versions of the system: EU and everyone else

3. Don’t implement GDPR, serve EU, risk fines

4. Don’t implement GDPR, don’t serve EU, lose all EU revenue

Assuming data => revenue, there is no free solution (except not to have had EU as a customer in the first place)

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