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Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Why though?! It frustrates me that the industry have to rely on fans / foreign distributors / bootleg to get an audience out of Japan. Leaves so much money on the table. I would be more than happy to pay Eiichiro Oda and his team for an english .pdf of the latest One Piece delivered to my inbox the second it comes out.

Because not that many people outside of Japan are that interested in it. Similarly, there aren't that many people outside of India who are interested in Bollywood movies, so you don't see them played in cinemas except in places where there's a lot of Indian expats/immigrants. Art is highly cultural, so there's usually not that much of a market for it outside its culture of origin. Anime/manga does do pretty well outs…

>but it'll as popular as you seem to wish it would be.

...it'll never be as popular...

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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post #172

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3 random links, which I have a feeling, you completely ignored to follow and read. > well regarded for its safety and peacefulness You said these. I wanted to show that while many thinks Japan is so much better, both the basis of your comparison (US and is bare minimum public safety) and the target (Japan and it's phenomenal capability of keeping things hidden and silent) are flawed. If you do want to pick a country…

> You said these. Why do you keep leaving out a key word, "generally", when quoting that comment? > If you do want to pick a country to regard for safety and peacefulness, pick Switzerland. My ex was from Switzerland, and we can assure you, without even having to google "bad shit in Switzerland", that it's not a paradise either. This is what I see as the top result when I do google bad shit in Switzerland: "Rape and…

You don't even want to understand the perspective I'm trying to make.

The links weren't random by "I just googled them". The third I found by accident more, than a year ago and certainly is an eye-opener. The first two are source materials for a longer piece on how sexual assault is overlooked or dismissed by law in Japan.

No country is ideal. Switzerland is ridiculously rigid, for example. I'm just tired of the idolized Japan image, the one I see from so many sources, from people who never actually read about the well hidden reality there.

Of course, I know nothing of your background, all I did was asking to look behind the "generally peaceful" thing. At least read the third link, please.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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> Why though?! There's not a ton of money in the Anime industry. Especially over-seas, since translation is a very labor intensive and largely manual process. There's also not a guaranteed audience for an anime. They have to rely on fans of the existing works (typically light novels) to view the (often drastically different) animes. I've seen a few of my favorite series get dropped due to being too niche.

> There's not a ton of money in the Anime industry. Especially over-seas ... There's also not a guaranteed audience for an anime. How even did you arrive at that deduction? There's a ton of untapped market potential in anime and manga, especially overseas. Japanese pop culture is probably second in worldwide popularity after America's. And it's even more impressive in how most of its foreign popularity comes from uno…

> There's a ton of untapped market potential in anime and manga, especially overseas.

That's just wishful thinking. There are decades of effort tapping into that potential with mildly success.

> And it's even more impressive in how most of its foreign popularity comes from unofficial, non-profiting fan efforts.

Which likely is a major reason why it is so popular. It's cheap for the consumer, the kids. Which is another problem, as anime is mostly for kids, not adults.

> and many of us would gladly part with our money for official translations of the same quality as fansubs (including cultural notes etc.)

Not enough. Market-localisation is too expensive to justify the risk of pampering a handful fans.

The whole japanese Pop-culture is divided in a very small number of big franchises, which make the gross of the money, and a very big number of very niche-productions which hardly make enough money to even survive. The big franchises can take the risk of going overseas, and they do that for a long time now. But the small companys don't have the money, often not even the knowledge for it.

On the other side, even with the niche-produtions we now have a rather good situation today. We now have many semi-official english localisations in timly manner for anime and games. It's just not the whole market, and not for the whole world, and manga is still very much a dead fish. But that's simply beacuse it's a different market.

> Sadly, none of the suits who could capitalize on this seem to be able to see the larger picture.

You also only see the fraction of the big picture which you are part in, not the complete big picture.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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post #182

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> You said these. Why do you keep leaving out a key word, "generally", when quoting that comment? > If you do want to pick a country to regard for safety and peacefulness, pick Switzerland. My ex was from Switzerland, and we can assure you, without even having to google "bad shit in Switzerland", that it's not a paradise either. This is what I see as the top result when I do google bad shit in Switzerland: "Rape and…

You don't even want to understand the perspective I'm trying to make. The links weren't random by "I just googled them". The third I found by accident more, than a year ago and certainly is an eye-opener. The first two are source materials for a longer piece on how sexual assault is overlooked or dismissed by law in Japan. No country is ideal. Switzerland is ridiculously rigid, for example. I'm just tired of the idol…

You just provided Switzerland as an example of a generally better place than Japan, without knowing about the sexual violence there.

You are not objective. You just have a different bias.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Maybe it's denial stage but something doesn't add up about 25/"33" dead[1]. Is it possible that there's something being lost in translation? EFL People often mistake casualty to mean a death/mortality when it's also used as (deaths+injuries). I could see that easily being mistranslated by an ESL person as deaths. [1]Seems to be corroborated by: https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/07/18/national/dozens... GoFundMe…

I'd say the majority of native English speakers not from a military background also make the same mistake.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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post #182

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You don't even want to understand the perspective I'm trying to make. The links weren't random by "I just googled them". The third I found by accident more, than a year ago and certainly is an eye-opener. The first two are source materials for a longer piece on how sexual assault is overlooked or dismissed by law in Japan. No country is ideal. Switzerland is ridiculously rigid, for example. I'm just tired of the idol…

You just provided Switzerland as an example of a generally better place than Japan, without knowing about the sexual violence there. You are not objective. You just have a different bias.

Will you in any way address the issues I brought up, or you just want to have the last word?

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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> There's not a ton of money in the Anime industry. Especially over-seas ... There's also not a guaranteed audience for an anime. How even did you arrive at that deduction? There's a ton of untapped market potential in anime and manga, especially overseas. Japanese pop culture is probably second in worldwide popularity after America's. And it's even more impressive in how most of its foreign popularity comes from uno…

> There's a ton of untapped market potential in anime and manga, especially overseas. That's just wishful thinking. There are decades of effort tapping into that potential with mildly success. > And it's even more impressive in how most of its foreign popularity comes from unofficial, non-profiting fan efforts. Which likely is a major reason why it is so popular. It's cheap for the consumer, the kids. Which is anothe…

>Which likely is a major reason why it is so popular. It's cheap for the consumer, the kids. Which is another problem, as anime is mostly for kids, not adults.

This is patently false. There are lots and lots anime for adults and there are so many adult fans nowadays. To be honest this statement alone would probably disqualify you from giving any opinion worth considering in this discussion.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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The comments deserve all the downvotes they get and more, on two levels. On the moral level, they value human life less than copyright. On the intellectual level, they appeal to the idea of "valuing principles" while simultaneously throwing away the concept of principles because the universe doesn't obviously value them.

That’s your opinion though. There are no hard and fast rules, what we think is reality may not even be so. What if we’re living in a simulation and there are unlimited respawns? Is that not a situation where principles may be valued more than “life”? I’m just saying think outside the box, just because you don’t agree with an idea, doesn’t mean it’s “wrong”. All I’m saying is let’s not try to censor ideas.

> let’s not try to censor ideas

Downvoting isn't censoring. But on that topic, what if we're living in a simulation where the goal is to censor every idea except one?

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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post #187

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> There's a ton of untapped market potential in anime and manga, especially overseas. That's just wishful thinking. There are decades of effort tapping into that potential with mildly success. > And it's even more impressive in how most of its foreign popularity comes from unofficial, non-profiting fan efforts. Which likely is a major reason why it is so popular. It's cheap for the consumer, the kids. Which is anothe…

>Which likely is a major reason why it is so popular. It's cheap for the consumer, the kids. Which is another problem, as anime is mostly for kids, not adults. This is patently false. There are lots and lots anime for adults and there are so many adult fans nowadays. To be honest this statement alone would probably disqualify you from giving any opinion worth considering in this discussion.

Can you please edit personal swipes out of your posts here? This comment would be fine without the last sentence. Actually it probably doesn't need the first one either.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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post #114

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I've met very few rational and healthy people in my entire life. Everyone has some problem, and everyone can be pushed to do seemingly crazy things. By your definition, literally the entire human race is mentally ill. And if that is the case, then the word has no meaning.

That's really just reductio ad absurdum. I would not burn down a building if someone stole my work, would you?

reductio ad absurdum is a perfectly logical syllogism.

I guess it depends on how angry I was?

Would you kill someone who slept with your wife? Regardless of your answer, it would be absurd to call everyone who did crazy.

In fact, courts never do.

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