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33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by pmlnr »

Razengan wrote: post #97
pmlnr wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> well regarded for its safety and peacefulness Here, dig deeper: http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/AJ201904170050.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/29/world/asia/japan-rape.htm... https://web.archive.org/web/20190421032136/http://japaneseru...

• Saying something is generally better != claiming that it's perfect, with zero flaws. • Something can have problems and still generally be better than others. • Pointing a flaw in something does not make it "as bad" as everything else. A single tree in a desert does not make it a rainforest, nor a few dead trees in a forest make it a desert. See cities in the US with varying rates of crime or corruption and people's…

> generally better

Compared to: - Switzerland? - Detroit, US? - Spain?

You feel attacked and I don't understand, why.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by pmlnr »

Razengan wrote: post #168
pmlnr wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who said just Japan? I only mentioned they are experiencing them ahead of the rest of us.

Who said Japan had no problems, that it was a perfect paradise, when you felt the need to dig up 3 random links to bring it down a notch? Why do people who like to make irrelevant contrary arguments seem to suddenly forget the simple concept of comparison?

3 random links, which I have a feeling, you completely ignored to follow and read.

> well regarded for its safety and peacefulness

You said these. I wanted to show that while many thinks Japan is so much better, both the basis of your comparison (US and is bare minimum public safety) and the target (Japan and it's phenomenal capability of keeping things hidden and silent) are flawed.

If you do want to pick a country to regard for safety and peacefulness, pick Switzerland.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by gamblor956 »

izzydata wrote: post #141
gamblor956 wrote: post #131

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Hollywood deals with this by giving the originators of ideas story credit. There are fairly detailed rules about how much of the final product needs to derive from their contributions to the final product for the credit to apply.

Disney stole the entirety of The Lion King scene for scene from a Japanese anime while claiming it to be a 100% completely original Disney made story.

Both the Lion King and Kimba are based on Hamlet...

And the story of the Lion King has almost nothing in common with Kimba. Have you actually read the manga or watched the anime? The anime is about the cub growing up, which the movie entirely skips over. Kimbas life before the anime is completely different.

While minor scene elements and secondary characters were inspired by the anime they don't rise to the level of requiring credit.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by nitwit005 »

gamblor956 wrote: post #131
m0llusk wrote: post #41

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Intellectual property issues once again. People think they own ideas and glorify themselves as originators. In reality once an idea is communicated it is free. All people can really do is add value to an idea by promoting it, framing it, demonstrating it, aiding in its application, and so on. Yet here intellectual property has scaled beyond mere value into critical relevance and even a person's identity itself. An in…

Hollywood deals with this by giving the originators of ideas story credit. There are fairly detailed rules about how much of the final product needs to derive from their contributions to the final product for the credit to apply.

There have been repeated accusations in Hollywood about just this sort of theft. It seems to be how two highly similar movies sometimes get made at around the same time. Studio 1 steals idea, studio 2 does the right thing and pays for it.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by Razengan »

falcolas wrote: post #78
Mengkudulangsat wrote: post #9

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Why though?! It frustrates me that the industry have to rely on fans / foreign distributors / bootleg to get an audience out of Japan. Leaves so much money on the table. I would be more than happy to pay Eiichiro Oda and his team for an english .pdf of the latest One Piece delivered to my inbox the second it comes out.

> Why though?! There's not a ton of money in the Anime industry. Especially over-seas, since translation is a very labor intensive and largely manual process. There's also not a guaranteed audience for an anime. They have to rely on fans of the existing works (typically light novels) to view the (often drastically different) animes. I've seen a few of my favorite series get dropped due to being too niche.

> There's not a ton of money in the Anime industry. Especially over-seas ... There's also not a guaranteed audience for an anime.

How even did you arrive at that deduction?

There's a ton of untapped market potential in anime and manga, especially overseas. Japanese pop culture is probably second in worldwide popularity after America's.

And it's even more impressive in how most of its foreign popularity comes from unofficial, non-profiting fan efforts.

2-3 decades ago it was a relatively small handful of fans who contributed their time and effort for free, and worked against legal prohibitions, to provide anime fansubs and manga scanlations throughout the 1990s and 2000s, until the anime fandom grew to the millions today, with adaptations, inspirations (Matrix, Kill Bill etc.), cosplayers, conventions, and even pornstars jumping in.

This is a unique case where an industry was practically established by piracy!

Many of those fans still rely on unofficial translations, reviews and torrents to get their fix, and many of us would gladly part with our money for official translations of the same quality as fansubs (including cultural notes etc.)

Sadly, none of the suits who could capitalize on this seem to be able to see the larger picture. There are still tons of anime, manga and video games with lots of worldwide fans but they've never been officially ported outside Japan.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by deogeo »

pmlnr wrote: post #93
Razengan wrote: post #65

Very depressing to see news like this from a place like Japan that's generally well regarded for its safety and peacefulness, especially against a target like an animation studio, that has only ever provided joy to people. They did not even produce anything controversial as far as I can tell. The glaring issue here seems to be the death threats they received prior to this attack. That should have been taken more seri…

> well regarded for its safety and peacefulness Here, dig deeper: http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/AJ201904170050.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/29/world/asia/japan-rape.htm... https://web.archive.org/web/20190421032136/http://japaneseru...

Here, look at difficult-to-fudge statistics instead of anecdotes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intention...

Edit: To answer the question from your other comment - it has less than half of Switzerland's homicide rate. So yes, it's safe even compared to that.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by Razengan »

pmlnr wrote: post #172
Razengan wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who said Japan had no problems, that it was a perfect paradise, when you felt the need to dig up 3 random links to bring it down a notch? Why do people who like to make irrelevant contrary arguments seem to suddenly forget the simple concept of comparison?

3 random links, which I have a feeling, you completely ignored to follow and read. > well regarded for its safety and peacefulness You said these. I wanted to show that while many thinks Japan is so much better, both the basis of your comparison (US and is bare minimum public safety) and the target (Japan and it's phenomenal capability of keeping things hidden and silent) are flawed. If you do want to pick a country…

> You said these.

Why do you keep leaving out a key word, "generally", when quoting that comment?

> If you do want to pick a country to regard for safety and peacefulness, pick Switzerland.

My ex was from Switzerland, and we can assure you, without even having to google "bad shit in Switzerland", that it's not a paradise either.

This is what I see as the top result when I do google bad shit in Switzerland:

"Rape and sexual violence levels staggeringly high in Switzerland with women failed by dangerous laws"

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/switzerland-...

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by Razengan »

pmlnr wrote: post #171
Razengan wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

• Saying something is generally better != claiming that it's perfect, with zero flaws. • Something can have problems and still generally be better than others. • Pointing a flaw in something does not make it "as bad" as everything else. A single tree in a desert does not make it a rainforest, nor a few dead trees in a forest make it a desert. See cities in the US with varying rates of crime or corruption and people's…

> generally better Compared to: - Switzerland? - Detroit, US? - Spain? You feel attacked and I don't understand, why.

> Compared to: - Switzerland?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/switzerland-...

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by hello_tyler »

The article says "At least 36 people were injured, 10 of them seriously." but doesn't mention deaths anywhere. I really hope the title is wrong and this is just some kind of horrible mistake. That's so many good people to have died for one selfish asshole. Can anyone confirm/deny ?
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