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33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Side question: What's wrong with making money from implied homosexuality?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queerbaiting “Queer fans have reacted with concern and anger to an identity they consider defining being used as a mere marketing ploy, a plaything for creatives, a mark of "edginess", or a commodity.”

Thank you for responding to me. That is a viewpoint that I had not considered.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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>might be quite an overreaction, but is at least in the realm of understandable, no? You think it is "understandable" to burn down a building because someone stole your work? If someone did that I would call them "crazy". I definitely see "mental stability" or "mental health" being a root cause here. Rational, healthy people do not respond in that way. Call it "temporary insanity" if you want.

I've met very few rational and healthy people in my entire life. Everyone has some problem, and everyone can be pushed to do seemingly crazy things. By your definition, literally the entire human race is mentally ill. And if that is the case, then the word has no meaning.

That's really just reductio ad absurdum. I would not burn down a building if someone stole my work, would you?

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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My favourite Anime of All time, Full Metal Panic were produced by Kyoto Animation. If you are are into Robot / Tech Anime it is well worth a watch, I simply felt in love with Chidori Kaname, female protagonist of the series, partly because the male protagonist is a ( Real ) nerd, and it is what some of the nerds first girl friend would act in real world. Its Companion Series Full Metal Panic Fumoffu is also hilarious…

It's still true. Japanese animators are paid by the pennies and work ridiculous hours. Since they're often paid on a per-frame basis rather than hourly pay, sometimes it adds up to less than minimum hourly wage. KyoAni was actually one of the few who were known to pay reasonably well, and they also had sort of dormitories slash training facilities for their animators. As for computers, generally speaking the frames a…

We just need a "The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas" [0] anime and 2019 will be complete...

[0] https://www.utilitarianism.com/nu/omelas.pdf

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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This is pure whataboutism. The parent comment said nothing about the US to even imply there isn’t also a problem there.

On the contrary, the GP is a (light) instance of the chinese robber fallacy. https://rationalconspiracy.com/2015/03/08/the-chinese-robber... They're using "a generic problem to attack a specific person or group, even though other groups have the problem just as much (or even more so)" and should be called out on it.

Super light

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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It's still true. Japanese animators are paid by the pennies and work ridiculous hours. Since they're often paid on a per-frame basis rather than hourly pay, sometimes it adds up to less than minimum hourly wage. KyoAni was actually one of the few who were known to pay reasonably well, and they also had sort of dormitories slash training facilities for their animators. As for computers, generally speaking the frames a…

Why though?! It frustrates me that the industry have to rely on fans / foreign distributors / bootleg to get an audience out of Japan. Leaves so much money on the table. I would be more than happy to pay Eiichiro Oda and his team for an english .pdf of the latest One Piece delivered to my inbox the second it comes out.

Because not that many people outside of Japan are that interested in it. Similarly, there aren't that many people outside of India who are interested in Bollywood movies, so you don't see them played in cinemas except in places where there's a lot of Indian expats/immigrants. Art is highly cultural, so there's usually not that much of a market for it outside its culture of origin.

Anime/manga does do pretty well outside of Japan, compared to the cultural output of so many other nations (how many Czech movies have you watched lately?), but it'll as popular as you seem to wish it would be.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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At all the places I've worked at, a stranger would not have made it far past the front entrance without being stopped by security, or even been able to enter the building at all (access cards, etc.) Maybe it's a cultural difference, or does the tech industry just have a much higher concern for securing offices?

I’m curious where you live? I live in Minneapolis and basically all the places I’ve worked, as well as visiting friends working a stranger could walk directly into the building. Especially multi-business centers. At one of the places they might have been asked if they needed help, but they wouldn’t be stopped, the receptionist would have just assumed they knew where they were going. I mean certainly major business li…

I work at a Minneapolis area company. A few years ago there was an employee who was showing signs of mental illness. He was let go, and the next day we were issued key cards for entry into the building - it was open prior to that.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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>might be quite an overreaction, but is at least in the realm of understandable, no? You think it is "understandable" to burn down a building because someone stole your work? If someone did that I would call them "crazy". I definitely see "mental stability" or "mental health" being a root cause here. Rational, healthy people do not respond in that way. Call it "temporary insanity" if you want.

Understanding the reasons for a crime does not excuse said crime, or say that you're ok with it. If someone robs a bank, I can understand the motivation: He wants money. If someone punches another, he might want to feel powerful. If someone rapes a woman he wants sex. And if someones believes that this company stole his money, I can understand his motivations to seek revenge. That does not mean it is right, just or s…

You're assuming that the mass murdering arsonist who says that he was robbed was actually robbed. You should instead seriously consider the possibility that he's insane and his claim is factually incorrect.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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> BTW, in my opinion, Japan is ~20years "ahead" of socilogical problems of the West - such as extreme isolation of elderly, young glued to the screens not even leaving a flats because everything can be done online, etc Both of those examples highlight issues with human social constructs being incompatible with human technology and progress, globally, not just in Japan.

Who said just Japan? I only mentioned they are experiencing them ahead of the rest of us.

Who said Japan had no problems, that it was a perfect paradise, when you felt the need to dig up 3 random links to bring it down a notch?

Why do people who like to make irrelevant contrary arguments seem to suddenly forget the simple concept of comparison?

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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At all the places I've worked at, a stranger would not have made it far past the front entrance without being stopped by security, or even been able to enter the building at all (access cards, etc.) Maybe it's a cultural difference, or does the tech industry just have a much higher concern for securing offices?

Their bottom floor had a shop anyway, because so many fans made the pilgrimage to their studio.

The shop is in a different building around the corner.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Kyoani+%26+Do+Shop/@34.924...

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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KyoAni is responsible for my favorite anime; K-On, as well as Hibike! Euphonium, another anime that moved me. I hope for the best for the families of the dead people, and I hope that the wounded people recover as soon as possible. An attack on KyoAni is an attack on passionate artists following their dreams.
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