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33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by s9w »

lunchables wrote: post #90
s9w wrote: post #79

Three people in here immediately blamed this on mental illness/mental health. That feels like such a strange reaction and oversimplification to this. If what I read is true: The work of the person who did this did get his work stolen and maybe as a consequence missed out on a lot of money. Then doing something like this might be quite an overreaction, but is at least in the realm of understandable, no? Revenge is in…

>might be quite an overreaction, but is at least in the realm of understandable, no? You think it is "understandable" to burn down a building because someone stole your work? If someone did that I would call them "crazy". I definitely see "mental stability" or "mental health" being a root cause here. Rational, healthy people do not respond in that way. Call it "temporary insanity" if you want.

Understanding the reasons for a crime does not excuse said crime, or say that you're ok with it.

If someone robs a bank, I can understand the motivation: He wants money. If someone punches another, he might want to feel powerful. If someone rapes a woman he wants sex.

And if someones believes that this company stole his money, I can understand his motivations to seek revenge. That does not mean it is right, just or something to look up to. But saying this is completely crazy is a bit naive IMO.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

#92

Post by Retric »

freddie_mercury wrote: post #15
Mengkudulangsat wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why though?! It frustrates me that the industry have to rely on fans / foreign distributors / bootleg to get an audience out of Japan. Leaves so much money on the table. I would be more than happy to pay Eiichiro Oda and his team for an english .pdf of the latest One Piece delivered to my inbox the second it comes out.

Seems a weird argument to be making. You can't even pay them directly to get the Japanese version, you need a Shonen Jump subscription, but you want them to offer it for English speakers? Relying on foreign distributors, especially when you need to translate, seems to make perfect sense to me. Should Oda provide translations into English, French, German, Korean, Chinese, and Vietnamese? All of those are part of the "…

~1.5 billion or ~20% of the world’s population speak English. They also tend to be better off financially than the global average.

Written Chinese is a very large market and likely a good investment, though a significant percentage of the well off also speak English or Japanese.

After that it’s more questionable. Translation is not cheap, but US films are often translated for smaller markets.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

#93

Post by pmlnr »

Razengan wrote: post #65

Very depressing to see news like this from a place like Japan that's generally well regarded for its safety and peacefulness, especially against a target like an animation studio, that has only ever provided joy to people. They did not even produce anything controversial as far as I can tell. The glaring issue here seems to be the death threats they received prior to this attack. That should have been taken more seri…

> well regarded for its safety and peacefulness

Here, dig deeper:

http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/AJ201904170050.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/29/world/asia/japan-rape.htm...

https://web.archive.org/web/20190421032136/http://japaneseru...

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

#94

Post by Razengan »

fisherwithac wrote: post #26

For those who are able to and want to help, there's a GoFundMe campaign right now to help the studio recover [0]. There isn't much of an explanation of what the money will go towards, but it's better than doing nothing IMO. I'm not a huge consumer of anime/manga, but some of my favorites (namely, Nichijou and Full Metal Panic) have come from this studio. I'm also aware that the industry as a whole is considered to be…

Donating to that GoFundMe (set up by a foreign reseller) may not benefit KyoAni as much as buying something from KyoAni directly:

https://old.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/cerv4w/before_you_do...

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

pmlnr wrote: post #93
Razengan wrote: post #65

Very depressing to see news like this from a place like Japan that's generally well regarded for its safety and peacefulness, especially against a target like an animation studio, that has only ever provided joy to people. They did not even produce anything controversial as far as I can tell. The glaring issue here seems to be the death threats they received prior to this attack. That should have been taken more seri…

> well regarded for its safety and peacefulness Here, dig deeper: http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/AJ201904170050.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/29/world/asia/japan-rape.htm... https://web.archive.org/web/20190421032136/http://japaneseru...

It's not a competition...

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by bazooka_penguin »

This is why businesses need strict security. You never know what kind of nutjob is going to just try and waltz right in. I assume Japan's culture around workplace security is a little different, since they're statistically safer than most countries, but I wouldnt leave anything to chance.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by Razengan »

pmlnr wrote: post #93
Razengan wrote: post #65

Very depressing to see news like this from a place like Japan that's generally well regarded for its safety and peacefulness, especially against a target like an animation studio, that has only ever provided joy to people. They did not even produce anything controversial as far as I can tell. The glaring issue here seems to be the death threats they received prior to this attack. That should have been taken more seri…

> well regarded for its safety and peacefulness Here, dig deeper: http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/AJ201904170050.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/29/world/asia/japan-rape.htm... https://web.archive.org/web/20190421032136/http://japaneseru...

• Saying something is generally better != claiming that it's perfect, with zero flaws.

• Something can have problems and still generally be better than others.

• Pointing a flaw in something does not make it "as bad" as everything else.

A single tree in a desert does not make it a rainforest, nor a few dead trees in a forest make it a desert.

See cities in the US with varying rates of crime or corruption and people's desires to move to them.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by [deleted] »

sixQuarks wrote: post #59
goldenkey wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It literally is a different world view. You only have to look at the Middle East.

I may not agree with you, but I do appreciate your viewpoint. I think you bring up valid points, and are being downvoted undeservedly.

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Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

#99

Post by ianstallings »

gilrain wrote: post #54
goldenkey wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It literally is a different world view. You only have to look at the Middle East.

Whoa, suddenly racist. The vast, vast majority of people in the middle east value life just as much as anyone.

Are you seriously calling me a racist or are you joking?

Edit: Sorry didn't see the greyed out comment above yours on my screen.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by moogly »

mrpara wrote: post #6
ksec wrote: post #4

My favourite Anime of All time, Full Metal Panic were produced by Kyoto Animation. If you are are into Robot / Tech Anime it is well worth a watch, I simply felt in love with Chidori Kaname, female protagonist of the series, partly because the male protagonist is a ( Real ) nerd, and it is what some of the nerds first girl friend would act in real world. Its Companion Series Full Metal Panic Fumoffu is also hilarious…

It's still true. Japanese animators are paid by the pennies and work ridiculous hours. Since they're often paid on a per-frame basis rather than hourly pay, sometimes it adds up to less than minimum hourly wage. KyoAni was actually one of the few who were known to pay reasonably well, and they also had sort of dormitories slash training facilities for their animators. As for computers, generally speaking the frames a…

Indeed. And Kyoto Animation (a.k.a. KyoAni) is widely regarded as one of the best, if not the best, studios in terms of working conditions and pay, long-term hiring with training on the job, etc. It is usually held up as a model of what the anime industry could be, and not what it tends to be.
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