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33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by izzydata »

gamblor956 wrote: post #131
m0llusk wrote: post #41

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Intellectual property issues once again. People think they own ideas and glorify themselves as originators. In reality once an idea is communicated it is free. All people can really do is add value to an idea by promoting it, framing it, demonstrating it, aiding in its application, and so on. Yet here intellectual property has scaled beyond mere value into critical relevance and even a person's identity itself. An in…

Hollywood deals with this by giving the originators of ideas story credit. There are fairly detailed rules about how much of the final product needs to derive from their contributions to the final product for the credit to apply.

Disney stole the entirety of The Lion King scene for scene from a Japanese anime while claiming it to be a 100% completely original Disney made story.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by mrpara »

Kaiyou wrote: post #136
mrpara wrote: post #128

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I don't think that's accurate to say, really. There's definitely some shows with gay undertones, but the vast majority of their post-2010 catalogue has either no romance or heterosexual romance (Hyouka, Chuunibyou, Tamako Market, Amaburi, Koe no Katachi, the Hibike film, Kyoukai no Kanata, VEG, and so on). Slice-of-life is pretty accurate, though. I don't think it's fair to say that they've changed drastically, eithe…

The shows that got them famous have implied homosexuality. They also made other stuff, but Hyouka isn't exactly the first thing people think of when talking about KyoAni. Also, Hibike definitely falls into the implied homosexuality category. I've got a friend who only watches it for this reason. It's true that you can trace their change further back, but at least they did Haruhi until 2010. Since then they completely…

I haven't watched Hibike, but to my understanding the tv series has a lot of implied homosexuality while the movie is straightforward heterosexual romance. I also disagree that the shows that got them famous are the ones with homosexuality. They were already plenty famous after Clannad and Haruhi, and Koe no Katachi is at least as high-profile as Free or Maid Dragon. Let's agree to disagree on this one.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by sigzero »

m0llusk wrote: post #41
devilmoon wrote: post #28

Apparently the motivation for the attack was that "KyoAni has stolen something from the attacker", unconfirmed reports that the something in question was a Light Novel the attacker wrote but got rejected by KyoAni, which apparently then got turned into an original work by the studio (possibly stealing here and there from the LN or anyhow drawing inspiration from it) without crediting the attacker or compensating him.…

Intellectual property issues once again. People think they own ideas and glorify themselves as originators. In reality once an idea is communicated it is free. All people can really do is add value to an idea by promoting it, framing it, demonstrating it, aiding in its application, and so on. Yet here intellectual property has scaled beyond mere value into critical relevance and even a person's identity itself. An in…

> In reality once an idea is communicated it is free.

No, it is not. It really depends on the "how".

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by yoru-sulfur »

DINKDINK wrote: post #132

Maybe it's denial stage but something doesn't add up about 25/"33" dead[1]. Is it possible that there's something being lost in translation? EFL People often mistake casualty to mean a death/mortality when it's also used as (deaths+injuries). I could see that easily being mistranslated by an ESL person as deaths. [1]Seems to be corroborated by: https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/07/18/national/dozens... GoFundMe…

From what I've read, at least the "25" figure came directly from a police statement

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20190718/k10011997921000.ht...

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

edanm wrote: post #106
m0llusk wrote: post #41

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Intellectual property issues once again. People think they own ideas and glorify themselves as originators. In reality once an idea is communicated it is free. All people can really do is add value to an idea by promoting it, framing it, demonstrating it, aiding in its application, and so on. Yet here intellectual property has scaled beyond mere value into critical relevance and even a person's identity itself. An in…

(I'm going to disagree with you in my comment, about your specific thoughts - but given the context of the thread we're talking in, let me be clear - this is a horrific attack that happened no matter what you think about IP, and nothing I'm saying below should in any way make it seem like I think otherwise. This kind of violence is horrible, and not the answer to anything). > Yet here intellectual property has scaled…

> I mean, do you really think JK Rowling shouldn't consider "I wrote Harry Potter" to be part of her identity?

Devil's advocate: sure, but that's different than considering "I am the originator of the concept of a story about a boy who goes to wizard school".

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by ohithereyou »

Mengkudulangsat wrote: post #9
mrpara wrote: post #6

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It's still true. Japanese animators are paid by the pennies and work ridiculous hours. Since they're often paid on a per-frame basis rather than hourly pay, sometimes it adds up to less than minimum hourly wage. KyoAni was actually one of the few who were known to pay reasonably well, and they also had sort of dormitories slash training facilities for their animators. As for computers, generally speaking the frames a…

Why though?! It frustrates me that the industry have to rely on fans / foreign distributors / bootleg to get an audience out of Japan. Leaves so much money on the table. I would be more than happy to pay Eiichiro Oda and his team for an english .pdf of the latest One Piece delivered to my inbox the second it comes out.

One Piece is not a great example because you can read it online at Viz[1], and the latest three issues appear to be free to read. According to Wikipedia[2], the latest chapter out in Japan is 948, which is available on Viz's website.

[1] https://www.viz.com/shonenjump/chapters/one-piece

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_One_Piece_chapters_(80...

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by ohithereyou »

Kaiyou wrote: post #122
ksec wrote: post #4

My favourite Anime of All time, Full Metal Panic were produced by Kyoto Animation. If you are are into Robot / Tech Anime it is well worth a watch, I simply felt in love with Chidori Kaname, female protagonist of the series, partly because the male protagonist is a ( Real ) nerd, and it is what some of the nerds first girl friend would act in real world. Its Companion Series Full Metal Panic Fumoffu is also hilarious…

KyoAni drastically changed around 2010, after the success of K-On. They also weren't involved in the last season of Full Metal Panic (2017). What they are now famous for are slice-of-life shows with lots of implied homosexuality, both girl-girl and boy-boy.

Side question: What's wrong with making money from implied homosexuality?

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by PhasmaFelis »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #85
_wmd wrote: post #8

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The BBC article mentions many died on the stairs to the roof. Sounds like a locked door could have been involved

What I heard / read is that the perpetrator blocked the emergency exits.

And set fires in the stairwells.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by philipov »

sigmar wrote: post #75
m0llusk wrote: post #41

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Intellectual property issues once again. People think they own ideas and glorify themselves as originators. In reality once an idea is communicated it is free. All people can really do is add value to an idea by promoting it, framing it, demonstrating it, aiding in its application, and so on. Yet here intellectual property has scaled beyond mere value into critical relevance and even a person's identity itself. An in…

I'd also like to add that not only do people have too much confidence in their "ownership" of an idea, but people severely underestimate the extent to which their idea was influenced by the cultural zeitgeist (which frequently accounts for collisions and false charges of plagiarism).

That belief is promulgated by the media corporations fighting for strong copyright of "intellectual property." They have themselves drawn on the public domain culture, and use copyright as a tool to claim private ownership over it.
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