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33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by SolaceQuantum »

Aeolun wrote: post #107
SolaceQuantum wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The people dead did not choose to die. They were killed by someone. And that person killed people and intended to kill people. By our society's definition, this person is mentally ill- they are ill because they have decided to kill people when their own life is not in imminent danger. If one's morals justifies one to kill when one's own life or others' lives are not in danger, then they are mentally ill by our societ…

> Are they mentally ill or do they have a different philosophy? By the discussed points I would have to say it’s both. It’s certainly a different philosophy, but it would most definitely be classified as mentally ill.

The rhetoric I'm responding to discusses them as if they are mutually exclusive. I'm trying to respond that different philosophies can, in fact, be sick ones.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by Kaiyou »

ksec wrote: post #4

My favourite Anime of All time, Full Metal Panic were produced by Kyoto Animation. If you are are into Robot / Tech Anime it is well worth a watch, I simply felt in love with Chidori Kaname, female protagonist of the series, partly because the male protagonist is a ( Real ) nerd, and it is what some of the nerds first girl friend would act in real world. Its Companion Series Full Metal Panic Fumoffu is also hilarious…

KyoAni drastically changed around 2010, after the success of K-On. They also weren't involved in the last season of Full Metal Panic (2017). What they are now famous for are slice-of-life shows with lots of implied homosexuality, both girl-girl and boy-boy.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by Razengan »

pmlnr wrote: post #101
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a competition...

There are boatloads of people out there who idolize Japan for peacefulness and never actually read about reality there. I'm just simply tired of the "ah, but Japan" attitude. BTW, in my opinion, Japan is ~20years "ahead" of socilogical problems of the West - such as extreme isolation of elderly, young glued to the screens not even leaving a flats because everything can be done online, etc - mostly because their 80s h…

> BTW, in my opinion, Japan is ~20years "ahead" of socilogical problems of the West - such as extreme isolation of elderly, young glued to the screens not even leaving a flats because everything can be done online, etc

Both of those examples highlight issues with human social constructs being incompatible with human technology and progress, globally, not just in Japan.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by m45t3r »

This is really sad. KyoAni (Kyoto Animation) is, as said in other thread, one of the current best animation studios in the world. I grow up watching their animes and thinking how they're amazing compared to the majority of japanese studios.

Some animes bought by them:

- Full Metal Panic (many laughs, amazing characters and great animation)

- Air (this is the first time that I did cry in a series of any kind)

- Kanon (really good adaptation of this great Visual Novel)

- Clannad (a really emotional series for me, even if the Visual Novel is better the anime still does a great service for this series)

- Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu (this is the anime that made me fan of them, a unique approach of slice of life and overpowered beings that was great in its time)

- Lucky Star (funny otakus done right)

- K-On! (a good anime showing cute girls doing cute things)

- Hyouka ("Sherlock Holmes goes to a japanese high school")

- Nichijou (funny nonsense done right)

- Sound Euphonium (I still remember that amazing scene at episode 11)

- Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid (a great surprise, this seems like a goof series on its premise however it is so heartwarming)

- Violet Evergarden (this is available in Netflix and I recommend simply because the animation is amazing and the story is really emotional)

I don't really care about the reasons of the suspect, there are better ways to claim copyright infringement, and even if it didn't, there is no reason to take human lives.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by buzer »

falcolas wrote: post #78
Mengkudulangsat wrote: post #9

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Why though?! It frustrates me that the industry have to rely on fans / foreign distributors / bootleg to get an audience out of Japan. Leaves so much money on the table. I would be more than happy to pay Eiichiro Oda and his team for an english .pdf of the latest One Piece delivered to my inbox the second it comes out.

> Why though?! There's not a ton of money in the Anime industry. Especially over-seas, since translation is a very labor intensive and largely manual process. There's also not a guaranteed audience for an anime. They have to rely on fans of the existing works (typically light novels) to view the (often drastically different) animes. I've seen a few of my favorite series get dropped due to being too niche.

> Especially over-seas, since translation is a very labor intensive and largely manual process.

Subbed translations at least previously were not usually very labor intensive if you didn't try to do heavy localization or typesetting everything (I remember someone translating every single book name in some bookcase). Fansubs managed to do pretty good job with just about 1MD worth of effort per episode (~20x length of the episode, extremely small amount compared to work required to actually produce the original episode). Old fansubs did need quite a bit more, but improved processes, tools & computers (just encoding & uploading used to pretty slow step) also improved the overall speed. No clue what how much CR & co need these days.

Of course, dubbing is very different case, but that's usually only done for DVD/Blu-ray releases. No clue if it's really worth to do it though, but my viewpoint is probably too biased.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by Kaiyou »

maeln wrote: post #56
goldenkey wrote: post #48

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It totally is a question of perception and philosophy. Death is literally a part of life. We all die. The value of life is what you make of it. The fact that this arsonist got roasted himself shows his perspective on the idea of "precious bodies" in general. He was wronged, palgiarized, steamrolled by an idomitable corporation and had no recourse. Je expressed in through corporeal action. You may disagree with the mo…

Society don't really care about you philosophical reflection on life and death. If this man was in fact defrauded by the company, he could have gone to court to solve the issue. Him considering that committing a mass murder, killing and injuring many innocent, is justifiable for the plagiarism is a mental illness. Trying to spin the conversation around philosophy and moral views to justify a mass murder is useless an…

There's no guarantee justice is upheld in court. Remember Dirty Harry? Most likely the legal route was already tried.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by bazooka_penguin »

marcinzm wrote: post #117
bazooka_penguin wrote: post #96

This is why businesses need strict security. You never know what kind of nutjob is going to just try and waltz right in. I assume Japan's culture around workplace security is a little different, since they're statistically safer than most countries, but I wouldnt leave anything to chance.

I presume that you avoid all cars and locations in the vicinity of cars due to their much higher risk of causing you injury than a crazy at your office in Japan. After all, you don't want to leave anything to chance do you?

What's the point of responding with idiotic rhetoric that only presents two extremes of virtually no security or hermit lifestyle. This guy reportedly had enough time to lock up their fire exits and then toss gasoline around. AND was waiting to toss gasoline on people trying to flee out the main exit where he was waiting for them. A couple of security guards on duty and a camera system could have prevented the murder of over 30 people. I can buy a set of 5 cameras and a pc to operate a camera network for under $1000, surely an reputable business can afford a few guards and a security system a little more sophisticated than consumer cameras so some psycho doesnt go around blocking all of the safe exits to your building and still have time to prepare his attack, and then stick around with gas to attack fleeing victims. So spare me the braindead, false dichotomy because you felt like being a smartass. When someone tells you to always check your stove twice before you go out do you respond "HURR JUST STAY HOME AND WATCH YER STOVE ALL DAY"? Moron.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by mrpara »

Kaiyou wrote: post #122
ksec wrote: post #4

My favourite Anime of All time, Full Metal Panic were produced by Kyoto Animation. If you are are into Robot / Tech Anime it is well worth a watch, I simply felt in love with Chidori Kaname, female protagonist of the series, partly because the male protagonist is a ( Real ) nerd, and it is what some of the nerds first girl friend would act in real world. Its Companion Series Full Metal Panic Fumoffu is also hilarious…

KyoAni drastically changed around 2010, after the success of K-On. They also weren't involved in the last season of Full Metal Panic (2017). What they are now famous for are slice-of-life shows with lots of implied homosexuality, both girl-girl and boy-boy.

I don't think that's accurate to say, really. There's definitely some shows with gay undertones, but the vast majority of their post-2010 catalogue has either no romance or heterosexual romance (Hyouka, Chuunibyou, Tamako Market, Amaburi, Koe no Katachi, the Hibike film, Kyoukai no Kanata, VEG, and so on). Slice-of-life is pretty accurate, though. I don't think it's fair to say that they've changed drastically, either. VEG and their Key adaptations such as Clannad are really not so different in spirit, nor is something like Kobayashi's Dragon Maid really all that different from Lucky Star (which was SoL with heavy gay undertones all the way back in 2007).

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by imtringued »

goldenkey wrote: post #48
maeln wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Putting so little value in other people life is a mental illness. Its not a question of perception. Considering your intellectual / material property over someone life is being a sociopath.

It totally is a question of perception and philosophy. Death is literally a part of life. We all die. The value of life is what you make of it. The fact that this arsonist got roasted himself shows his perspective on the idea of "precious bodies" in general. He was wronged, palgiarized, steamrolled by an idomitable corporation and had no recourse. Je expressed in through corporeal action. You may disagree with the mo…

You seem to miss the point. Japan is a sovereign nation that has managed to protect itself for centuries. If someone ignores the justice system of that sovereign nation and uses his own justice system then he is threatening the sovereignity of the nation. The primary way nations defend themselves is through war and violence. Everyone can found their own nation, even on the grounds of an existing one. This is how countries have managed to declare independence for all of human history. A new nation that cannot defend itself will never gain sovereignity and therefore never existed in the first place. In short might makes right. If you don't follow the rules then you will be locked up or killed (in war). Your conflict seeking moral values are incompatible with ours. It is only natural for a nation to engage in self defense for the purpose of self preservation. You can think whatever you like and we will punish you however we like, it's the only fair thing we can do.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by protomyth »

robrtsql wrote: post #84
donatj wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m curious where you live? I live in Minneapolis and basically all the places I’ve worked, as well as visiting friends working a stranger could walk directly into the building. Especially multi-business centers. At one of the places they might have been asked if they needed help, but they wouldn’t be stopped, the receptionist would have just assumed they knew where they were going. I mean certainly major business li…

Really? I've worked and seen a few places in Minneapolis and they all had pretty decent security. Granted, only the 'office' areas were secured--every building, which was shared by multiple offices--had a common area which was not secured at all.

Minneapolis has a fair amount of those group office buildings that provide security as part of rent.
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