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33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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At all the places I've worked at, a stranger would not have made it far past the front entrance without being stopped by security, or even been able to enter the building at all (access cards, etc.) Maybe it's a cultural difference, or does the tech industry just have a much higher concern for securing offices?

Their bottom floor had a shop anyway, because so many fans made the pilgrimage to their studio.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

#112
post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>might be quite an overreaction, but is at least in the realm of understandable, no? You think it is "understandable" to burn down a building because someone stole your work? If someone did that I would call them "crazy". I definitely see "mental stability" or "mental health" being a root cause here. Rational, healthy people do not respond in that way. Call it "temporary insanity" if you want.

Understanding the reasons for a crime does not excuse said crime, or say that you're ok with it. If someone robs a bank, I can understand the motivation: He wants money. If someone punches another, he might want to feel powerful. If someone rapes a woman he wants sex. And if someones believes that this company stole his money, I can understand his motivations to seek revenge. That does not mean it is right, just or s…

Some of your reasonings seem a bit simplified. If someone robs a bank, they might want money. Is it because they are trying to feed a starving family? Is their life being threatened due to gambling debts? Or do they just value the safety of others less than they would the money?

And that is the only arguably victimless crime in your list of 3. A crime can be committed by a rational person (if I don't do this, my child dies), and it can be committed by someone who is not mentally well. I would argue that these, especially the last crime, are all crimes likely to be committed by someone who is not in a stable or healthy state of mind.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

#113
post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not actually; whatever financial damage the perpetrator suffered is trivial compared to the loss of human life. I mean he could've sued them instead. Or publically call them out on it. Instead he went for the nuclear option and went on a killing spree. This is morally abject and I can't believe you're even suggesting it might be a fair action.

I literally called it an overreaction. But there is a very strong motivation for this. It's not like it came out of nowhere - which calling him mentally ill somewhat suggests. Who knows how big the financial damage was - maybe he lost his marriage or whatever.

I just don’t think overreaction covers this. Even if there is no more appropriate word in the English language, it is still incorrect.

Having your family killed gives you a strong motivation. Losing out on a bunch of money? That doesn’t even come close to being anything worth killing over. Let alone mass-murder.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

#114
post #79

Three people in here immediately blamed this on mental illness/mental health. That feels like such a strange reaction and oversimplification to this. If what I read is true: The work of the person who did this did get his work stolen and maybe as a consequence missed out on a lot of money. Then doing something like this might be quite an overreaction, but is at least in the realm of understandable, no? Revenge is in…

>might be quite an overreaction, but is at least in the realm of understandable, no? You think it is "understandable" to burn down a building because someone stole your work? If someone did that I would call them "crazy". I definitely see "mental stability" or "mental health" being a root cause here. Rational, healthy people do not respond in that way. Call it "temporary insanity" if you want.

I've met very few rational and healthy people in my entire life. Everyone has some problem, and everyone can be pushed to do seemingly crazy things.

By your definition, literally the entire human race is mentally ill. And if that is the case, then the word has no meaning.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

#115
post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not actually; whatever financial damage the perpetrator suffered is trivial compared to the loss of human life. I mean he could've sued them instead. Or publically call them out on it. Instead he went for the nuclear option and went on a killing spree. This is morally abject and I can't believe you're even suggesting it might be a fair action.

I literally called it an overreaction. But there is a very strong motivation for this. It's not like it came out of nowhere - which calling him mentally ill somewhat suggests. Who knows how big the financial damage was - maybe he lost his marriage or whatever.

Calling him mentally ill does not imply it came out of nowhere. It implies that his response to what was done to him was not reasonable, moral, or the reaction of what society considers mentally well.

Mental instability can mean that something small is more likely to push someone much farther than it should.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

#116
post #79

Three people in here immediately blamed this on mental illness/mental health. That feels like such a strange reaction and oversimplification to this. If what I read is true: The work of the person who did this did get his work stolen and maybe as a consequence missed out on a lot of money. Then doing something like this might be quite an overreaction, but is at least in the realm of understandable, no? Revenge is in…

Its not money, its honor.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

#117

This is why businesses need strict security. You never know what kind of nutjob is going to just try and waltz right in. I assume Japan's culture around workplace security is a little different, since they're statistically safer than most countries, but I wouldnt leave anything to chance.

I presume that you avoid all cars and locations in the vicinity of cars due to their much higher risk of causing you injury than a crazy at your office in Japan. After all, you don't want to leave anything to chance do you?

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

#118
post #113
post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I literally called it an overreaction. But there is a very strong motivation for this. It's not like it came out of nowhere - which calling him mentally ill somewhat suggests. Who knows how big the financial damage was - maybe he lost his marriage or whatever.

I just don’t think overreaction covers this. Even if there is no more appropriate word in the English language, it is still incorrect. Having your family killed gives you a strong motivation. Losing out on a bunch of money? That doesn’t even come close to being anything worth killing over. Let alone mass-murder.

If he gets in front of a court, his stolen work will literally be called a motive. And that's all I'm saying. The rest is just about how much of an overreaction this was. And it certainly was very much that - as I repeatedly said.

That's liteally what an overreaction is.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

#119
post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Understanding the reasons for a crime does not excuse said crime, or say that you're ok with it. If someone robs a bank, I can understand the motivation: He wants money. If someone punches another, he might want to feel powerful. If someone rapes a woman he wants sex. And if someones believes that this company stole his money, I can understand his motivations to seek revenge. That does not mean it is right, just or s…

Some of your reasonings seem a bit simplified. If someone robs a bank, they might want money. Is it because they are trying to feed a starving family? Is their life being threatened due to gambling debts? Or do they just value the safety of others less than they would the money? And that is the only arguably victimless crime in your list of 3. A crime can be committed by a rational person (if I don't do this, my chil…

My reasoning was grossly oversimplified - I talked about three major crimes in one sentence.

Would you say that every crime is either a "rational" crime (if I don't do this, my child dies) or done by someone crazy? If so, I understand the heavy resistance of you and others here.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

#120
post #62

Apparently the motivation for the attack was that "KyoAni has stolen something from the attacker", unconfirmed reports that the something in question was a Light Novel the attacker wrote but got rejected by KyoAni, which apparently then got turned into an original work by the studio (possibly stealing here and there from the LN or anyhow drawing inspiration from it) without crediting the attacker or compensating him.…

And this is why most companies doing anything having to do with media will not ever even read/watch works that were sent to them unsolicited. There are so many ideas being in different states of development at any given time that there is a failry high risk of inadvertenly opening yourself up to being accused of plagiarism.

Well, not exactly this.
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