33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured • Hacker News Board

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by SolaceQuantum » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 1:00 PM UTC

goldenkey wrote: post #48

maeln wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Putting so little value in other people life is a mental illness. Its not a question of perception. Considering your intellectual / material property over someone life is being a sociopath.

It totally is a question of perception and philosophy. Death is literally a part of life. We all die. The value of life is what you make of it. The fact that this arsonist got roasted himself shows his perspective on the idea of "precious bodies" in general. He was wronged, palgiarized, steamrolled by an idomitable corporation and had no recourse. Je expressed in through corporeal action. You may disagree with the mo…

The people dead did not choose to die. They were killed by someone. And that person killed people and intended to kill people. By our society's definition, this person is mentally ill- they are ill because they have decided to kill people when their own life is not in imminent danger.

If one's morals justifies one to kill when one's own life or others' lives are not in danger, then they are mentally ill by our society's definition. Of course, mental illness being defined as holding behavior, emotional, or experience structures that deviate from the norm such that the person cannot function within their society in a productive manner.

I think you'd be fascinated by the twists of someone with a personality disorder or someone on the schizophrenia spectrum. If someone claims they are god, or claims they are a wolf, and thus justified by self-definition of predator to predate on other humans, are they mentally ill or do they have a different philosophy?

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by skgoa » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 1:03 PM UTC

devilmoon wrote: post #28

Apparently the motivation for the attack was that "KyoAni has stolen something from the attacker", unconfirmed reports that the something in question was a Light Novel the attacker wrote but got rejected by KyoAni, which apparently then got turned into an original work by the studio (possibly stealing here and there from the LN or anyhow drawing inspiration from it) without crediting the attacker or compensating him.…

And this is why most companies doing anything having to do with media will not ever even read/watch works that were sent to them unsolicited. There are so many ideas being in different states of development at any given time that there is a failry high risk of inadvertenly opening yourself up to being accused of plagiarism.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by Razengan » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 1:04 PM UTC

goldenkey wrote: post #42

mabbo wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's half of it (if true). The other half is a mentally ill person.

Explain to my why you value life over principles in a universe that neither designates value to either? Having a different world view does not make a person mentally ill. Willing to die for principles means strong feelings, no more, no less. You may find what he did heinous but violent behavior is not necessarily indicative of mental illness. It just tends to be a combination of 3 things: 1) value of self biology/lif…

> Explain to my why you value life over principles in a universe that neither designates value to either?

Context.

Principles don't matter if there is no life.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by mrpara » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 1:05 PM UTC

swebs wrote: post #36

mrpara wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's still true. Japanese animators are paid by the pennies and work ridiculous hours. Since they're often paid on a per-frame basis rather than hourly pay, sometimes it adds up to less than minimum hourly wage. KyoAni was actually one of the few who were known to pay reasonably well, and they also had sort of dormitories slash training facilities for their animators. As for computers, generally speaking the frames a…

>they're often paid on a per-frame basis rather than hourly pay That's interesting. Is there any in-depth source on how the anime industry operates?

I don't know about in-depth, but a cursory google search brings up plenty of results regarding animator wages[1,2]. If you want to know more about how the industry operates, not so much salaries but how production works, working conditions, who's responsible for what, etc, then I highly recommend that you watch the anime Shirobako. It's an anime about anime production, and it's both very informative and simply very good in terms of storytelling, humor, etc.

[1] https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2005-11-02/animator's-...

[2] https://80.lv/articles/how-much-do-japanese-animators-make/

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by Razengan » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 1:05 PM UTC

Very depressing to see news like this from a place like Japan that's generally well regarded for its safety and peacefulness, especially against a target like an animation studio, that has only ever provided joy to people.

They did not even produce anything controversial as far as I can tell.

The glaring issue here seems to be the death threats they received prior to this attack. That should have been taken more seriously by the authorities, anywhere.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by SolaceQuantum » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 1:06 PM UTC

m0llusk wrote: post #41

devilmoon wrote: post #28

Apparently the motivation for the attack was that "KyoAni has stolen something from the attacker", unconfirmed reports that the something in question was a Light Novel the attacker wrote but got rejected by KyoAni, which apparently then got turned into an original work by the studio (possibly stealing here and there from the LN or anyhow drawing inspiration from it) without crediting the attacker or compensating him.…

Intellectual property issues once again. People think they own ideas and glorify themselves as originators. In reality once an idea is communicated it is free. All people can really do is add value to an idea by promoting it, framing it, demonstrating it, aiding in its application, and so on. Yet here intellectual property has scaled beyond mere value into critical relevance and even a person's identity itself. An in…

This isn't necessarily true in the field of artistic production, in my opinion. In this case this person presumably submitted their work for acceptance to a company, and the company rejected their work but then stole it. This is a massive violation of industry ethics, and still generates much fury to this day if it happens. (For example, if Tor published a novella under an editor's name, but the novella was actually written by an author who was told the work was not accepted into Tor, this would cause a massive uproar.)

Part of the issue is that the publishing party purchases first-publishing rights of the work submitted to them. By definition, they need to recieve unpublished, highly protected work that hasn't been shown to anyone else (or shown to an audience).

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by Jach » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 1:07 PM UTC

agumonkey wrote: post #12

Quequau wrote: post #3

The number of casualties is horrific and hard to understand. I'm not a huge fan of anime but I understand that this is a major studio with a long history. So I'm sure that this will have a major impact on the entire industry.

I'm a bit dumbfounded about the number of casualties. It must have been a very dreadful attack. Very troubling.

Makes me want to look into other office arsons. Perhaps thanks to orderly drills since childhood our expectations of survivability are way overblown in the event of any serious smoke-pouring fire...

I think I'll spend some time today looking into fire escape masks, maybe even a small oxygen tank etc. to keep at the office... Descending 19 floors is probably pretty dicey with any smoke in the stairwell.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by gregallan » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 1:07 PM UTC

CryptoPunk wrote: post #40

tus88 wrote: post #18

I wish Japan and most of East Asia did more to recognize and tackle mental health. And overwork. And a lot of things.

Major US cities are overrun by drug addicts suffering from severe mental illnesses, with literally thousands dying from overdoses every year.

This is pure whataboutism. The parent comment said nothing about the US to even imply there isn’t also a problem there.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by samfriedman » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 1:07 PM UTC

dangThatSucks wrote: post #53

fisherwithac wrote: post #26

For those who are able to and want to help, there's a GoFundMe campaign right now to help the studio recover [0]. There isn't much of an explanation of what the money will go towards, but it's better than doing nothing IMO. I'm not a huge consumer of anime/manga, but some of my favorites (namely, Nichijou and Full Metal Panic) have come from this studio. I'm also aware that the industry as a whole is considered to be…

Do we know if the (apparently Texan) organizer of that fundraiser is affiliated with the victims in any way, or is credible, or might that be a scam?

Sentai Filmworks shared the campaign on their Twitter: https://twitter.com/SentaiFilmworks/status/11517265318966435... so it's at least not someone masquerading as the company.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by t0astbread » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 1:09 PM UTC

dangThatSucks wrote: post #53

fisherwithac wrote: post #26

For those who are able to and want to help, there's a GoFundMe campaign right now to help the studio recover [0]. There isn't much of an explanation of what the money will go towards, but it's better than doing nothing IMO. I'm not a huge consumer of anime/manga, but some of my favorites (namely, Nichijou and Full Metal Panic) have come from this studio. I'm also aware that the industry as a whole is considered to be…

Do we know if the (apparently Texan) organizer of that fundraiser is affiliated with the victims in any way, or is credible, or might that be a scam?

Sentai Filmworks is a reseller of KyoAni works (amongst others) in the west. They linked to this campaign from their official Twitter account: https://mobile.twitter.com/SentaiFilmworks/status/1151726531...