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F-Droids statement on their ban of Gab

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Re: F-Droids statement on their ban of Gab

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Post by lvturner »

inawarminister wrote: post #31
jasonvorhe wrote: post #22

Their work, their infrastructure, their call. And a good one as well. Don't provide nazis with anything.

Would you support the same thing done by, say, Christian bakers not providing a customer for religious-ideological reason?

I'll bite - but first some caveats.

I didn't follow the case and I'm only tangentially aware of it, I don't know who said what to whom and to how any of it is handled. I can't say with 100% certainty knowing the full explanation of the case that I would side with either the Christian bakers or the customer.

However though, it should be within a business owners right to deny someone access to a paid service or good on essentially any grounds.

Re: F-Droids statement on their ban of Gab

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Post by Mirioron »

a254613e wrote: post #7
rvz wrote: post #3

> F-Droid is taking a political stance here. Very bad decision here. > "F-Droid won’t tolerate oppression or harassment against marginalized groups. Because of this, it won’t package nor distribute apps that promote any of these things." You might as well not package FLOSS (Free Libre Open Source Software) Facebook/Twitter/Mastodon clients because there are also bad actors on those platforms who harass others based o…

There is a difference between facebook/twitter that disallow those things, will remove them and app that when presented with those behaviours says that they are welcome. You know that. Unfortunately nobody taking a stance will lead to that horrible behaviour increasing. The argument "Because X and Y have similar technical implementations in what users can do" is irrelevant here, it's about the intent/goals/policies/h…

So you'd welcome restrictions on freedom of expression (a human right)?

Re: F-Droids statement on their ban of Gab

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Post by zaarn »

s9w wrote: post #40
probably_wrong wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You cannot have both free speech and a code of conduct at the same time. I feel I should point out that this is a point of view that's very popular in the US, but not universal. F-Droids' website makes me belive that they are somewhere in Europe, where the rules for "Free Speech" are different. Also, I'm admittedly not familiar with the nuances of freedom of speech in the USA, but I would believe that your statemen…

Europe does not have free speech. But that cocs conflict with free speech is true independent of national laws I think.

Europe has a different free speech, the definitions and laws differ. Saying "Europe has no free speech" is only correct from a very US-centric PoV. In Europe, we have learned the danger that true free speech poses.

Re: F-Droids statement on their ban of Gab

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Post by throwawaycanuck »

jasonvorhe wrote: post #22

Their work, their infrastructure, their call. And a good one as well. Don't provide nazis with anything.

Perhaps someday your own beliefs will be considered extreme, and you'll have no platform to voice your opinion. Freedom of speech comes without preconditions, whether you agree with it or not is irrelevant. Stifling any speech is far more dangerous than allowing all of it.

Re: F-Droids statement on their ban of Gab

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Post by zaarn »

SuperNinKenDo wrote: post #33
RickSanchez2600 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is more of a denial of service for Gab because they allow anything on their site instead of policing it like Hacker News here and having a code of conduct. Gab went to Mastodon to be part of the federated universe but federated apps block their URL now.

A synonym for a denial of service on a platform is a ban.

The fediverse is not a platform but a set of protocols. Nobody can force you to federate with an instance any more than they should be coerced to listen to anyone's speech.

Re: F-Droids statement on their ban of Gab

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Post by panpanna »

rmtech wrote: post #37
iamnotacrook wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"F-droid should simply follow US law" Why would they want to do that? They're a uk-based company. Judging by your typing you're not a native English speaker either. So why pick the US?

What does UK law say on the subject?

Same as EU: hate speech may result in fines and jail time.

Re: F-Droids statement on their ban of Gab

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Post by SuperNinKenDo »

zaarn wrote: post #47
SuperNinKenDo wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A synonym for a denial of service on a platform is a ban.

The fediverse is not a platform but a set of protocols. Nobody can force you to federate with an instance any more than they should be coerced to listen to anyone's speech.

The issue is F-Droid not the fediverse.
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