Their work, their infrastructure, their call. And a good one as well. Don't provide nazis with anything.
Would you support the same thing done by, say, Christian bakers not providing a customer for religious-ideological reason?
F-Droids statement on their ban of Gab
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#32But they already have 4chan viewers and that's fine? lol
Four of them too from what I've seen, none of them banning /pol/.
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's nothing about allowing Gab apps on F-Droid that denies anybody "the right not to hear something". Just don't install the app, and you won't see what people post on Gab.
It is more of a denial of service for Gab because they allow anything on their site instead of policing it like Hacker News here and having a code of conduct. Gab went to Mastodon to be part of the federated universe but federated apps block their URL now.
A synonym for a denial of service on a platform is a ban.
Re: F-Droids statement on their ban of Gab
#34The message here seems clear: F-Droid is not a free platform. The software on it might be free software, but it is curated by F-Droid. If you wish to exercise your free speech, you should use another platform, since F-Droid can and will censor it.
I for one am deciding now never to use F-Droid for anything important enough that it risks being censored. I do not use Gab myself, but I think such platforms are very important to a free society.
It is ridiculous to try to censor a free speech-centered platform because people say disagreeable things on there; that is the point! We can not have "free speech, but only if I agree with you".
Re: F-Droids statement on their ban of Gab
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
The removal of Gab app from F-Droid is precisely exercising of the freedom of the right not to hear something. Gab is just like any other Fediverse client - with an important difference. To show it, let's use an example: for instance, Firefox doesn't brand itself with the logo of a company that abuses free speech to promote and benefit off hate speech. This is exactly what Gab does and - at least for me - which is th…
Gab allows Free Speech and does not have a code of conduct or ban or censor anyone. They claim this is freedom and the code of conduct is fascism. Anyone who writes a racist comment usually gets called out on it and called an idiot and mocked anyway on Gab. You cannot have both free speech and a code of conduct at the same time. You either allow everything or censor and ban things to a degree. Most of these racist co…
Gab, via their free speech and unwillingness to take down content in general, promotes content that is racist, misogynyst, antifeminist, islamophobic, xenophobic, homophobic, transphobic, classist, ableist, authoritariant, supremacist, and pretty much anti-intellectual. This is why I oppose that platform.
Of course you can have free speech as a person and a code of conduct for your service. You are free to say anything, and your platform has a right to not want to hear or spread anything.
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
The removal of Gab app from F-Droid is precisely exercising of the freedom of the right not to hear something. Gab is just like any other Fediverse client - with an important difference. To show it, let's use an example: for instance, Firefox doesn't brand itself with the logo of a company that abuses free speech to promote and benefit off hate speech. This is exactly what Gab does and - at least for me - which is th…
Gab allows Free Speech and does not have a code of conduct or ban or censor anyone. They claim this is freedom and the code of conduct is fascism. Anyone who writes a racist comment usually gets called out on it and called an idiot and mocked anyway on Gab. You cannot have both free speech and a code of conduct at the same time. You either allow everything or censor and ban things to a degree. Most of these racist co…
Well, would you like to allow that kind of comments on HN?
I mean it's just teenagers using the N word...
Re: F-Droids statement on their ban of Gab
#37Re: F-Droids statement on their ban of Gab
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
The removal of Gab app from F-Droid is precisely exercising of the freedom of the right not to hear something. Gab is just like any other Fediverse client - with an important difference. To show it, let's use an example: for instance, Firefox doesn't brand itself with the logo of a company that abuses free speech to promote and benefit off hate speech. This is exactly what Gab does and - at least for me - which is th…
Gab allows Free Speech and does not have a code of conduct or ban or censor anyone. They claim this is freedom and the code of conduct is fascism. Anyone who writes a racist comment usually gets called out on it and called an idiot and mocked anyway on Gab. You cannot have both free speech and a code of conduct at the same time. You either allow everything or censor and ban things to a degree. Most of these racist co…
> You cannot have both free speech and a code of conduct at the same time.
I feel I should point out that this is a point of view that's very popular in the US, but not universal. F-Droids' website makes me belive that they are somewhere in Europe, where the rules for "Free Speech" are different.
Also, I'm admittedly not familiar with the nuances of freedom of speech in the USA, but I would believe that your statement is not entirely correct in there either.
Re: F-Droids statement on their ban of Gab
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Just don't install the app, and you won't see what people post on Gab. False. Gab recently became Activity-Pub compatible by forking Mastodon code, so now either your Fediverse instance's administrator or you must ban what Gab people post. So, obviously, you can see what Gab people say even without installing the app, which contradicts your implication.
Again, nothing about hosting Gab apps forces you to install them and be exposed to content from Gab. You still fail to address my point.
I think you are deliberately missing the point of all this. Fdroid does not want to promote something that goes against their believes.
If you love hate speech hiding behind "oh, but of free speech!" nothing forces you to use their store.
See, that argument goes both ways.
Re: F-Droids statement on their ban of Gab
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
Gab allows Free Speech and does not have a code of conduct or ban or censor anyone. They claim this is freedom and the code of conduct is fascism. Anyone who writes a racist comment usually gets called out on it and called an idiot and mocked anyway on Gab. You cannot have both free speech and a code of conduct at the same time. You either allow everything or censor and ban things to a degree. Most of these racist co…
> You cannot have both free speech and a code of conduct at the same time. I feel I should point out that this is a point of view that's very popular in the US, but not universal. F-Droids' website makes me belive that they are somewhere in Europe, where the rules for "Free Speech" are different. Also, I'm admittedly not familiar with the nuances of freedom of speech in the USA, but I would believe that your statemen…
Europe does not have free speech. But that cocs conflict with free speech is true independent of national laws I think.