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F-Droids statement on their ban of Gab

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Re: F-Droids statement on their ban of Gab

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Post by redder2 »

rvz wrote: post #3

> F-Droid is taking a political stance here. Very bad decision here. > "F-Droid won’t tolerate oppression or harassment against marginalized groups. Because of this, it won’t package nor distribute apps that promote any of these things." You might as well not package FLOSS (Free Libre Open Source Software) Facebook/Twitter/Mastodon clients because there are also bad actors on those platforms who harass others based o…

As you can see by the downvotes of your comment the crowd here o HN is already for censorship and full of silicon valley and other type of tech lefties who hate free speech and are very PC. This is not the first time I realized that. In fact I had already a account shadow-banned for daring not to have mainstream PC approved opinons. This one already has -6 Karma. I should actually go on Gab. I was never there but I am following it "from the outside" for a while and all the SJW stuff on Joe Rogan and elsewhere. To the point where I am actually not only annoyed by the fact that its going on but by the fact that these internet personalities I follow talking about how bad it is for like 3 years now and its only getting worse and worse.

Re: F-Droids statement on their ban of Gab

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Post by RickSanchez2600 »

phoe-krk wrote: post #13
SuperNinKenDo wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's nothing about allowing Gab apps on F-Droid that denies anybody "the right not to hear something". Just don't install the app, and you won't see what people post on Gab.

The removal of Gab app from F-Droid is precisely exercising of the freedom of the right not to hear something. Gab is just like any other Fediverse client - with an important difference. To show it, let's use an example: for instance, Firefox doesn't brand itself with the logo of a company that abuses free speech to promote and benefit off hate speech. This is exactly what Gab does and - at least for me - which is th…

Gab allows Free Speech and does not have a code of conduct or ban or censor anyone. They claim this is freedom and the code of conduct is fascism.

Anyone who writes a racist comment usually gets called out on it and called an idiot and mocked anyway on Gab.

You cannot have both free speech and a code of conduct at the same time. You either allow everything or censor and ban things to a degree.

Most of these racist comments are made by teenagers who think the N-word is funny and trolling people. So they post it over and over again.

Re: F-Droids statement on their ban of Gab

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Post by phoe-krk »

SuperNinKenDo wrote: post #20
phoe-krk wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The removal of Gab app from F-Droid is precisely exercising of the freedom of the right not to hear something. Gab is just like any other Fediverse client - with an important difference. To show it, let's use an example: for instance, Firefox doesn't brand itself with the logo of a company that abuses free speech to promote and benefit off hate speech. This is exactly what Gab does and - at least for me - which is th…

Nothing you just said contradicts or even really attempts to contradict my very simple statement.

> Just don't install the app, and you won't see what people post on Gab.

False. Gab recently became Activity-Pub compatible by forking Mastodon code, so now either your Fediverse instance's administrator or you must ban what Gab people post.

So, obviously, you can see what Gab people say even without installing the app, which contradicts your implication.

Re: F-Droids statement on their ban of Gab

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Post by RickSanchez2600 »

SuperNinKenDo wrote: post #11
phoe-krk wrote: post #5

A lot of Gabfolk seem to want the freedom of speech while directly denying others' freedom to not listen to what they say. That's... a literal lack of consequence in their train of thought, to put it lightly. Gab is free to speak everything they speak: yayyyyy that is the right way we are indestructible F-Droid is free to remove their app: what the fuck do these this is unlawful and illegal and mandates prison And wh…

There's nothing about allowing Gab apps on F-Droid that denies anybody "the right not to hear something". Just don't install the app, and you won't see what people post on Gab.

It is more of a denial of service for Gab because they allow anything on their site instead of policing it like Hacker News here and having a code of conduct.

Gab went to Mastodon to be part of the federated universe but federated apps block their URL now.

Re: F-Droids statement on their ban of Gab

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Post by aaron695 »

Old school web users must be gob smacked with these new rounds of supposed web activist sites that oppose free speech that they fought so hard for. People easily forget the attacks on the web during the 90's.

Points to F-Droid for not lying and being truthful, it makes them marginally better than most of the organisations.

"F-Droid is taking a political stance here."

"a website joined the fediverse only half a month ago that is well known to be a “free speech zone”, meaning it claims to tolerate all opinions. While in theory this might seem to be a good concept" .....

Re: F-Droids statement on their ban of Gab

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

redder2 wrote: post #15

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I'm politically left leaning, and despite all of the following quotes from your rant, I don't think you're a Nazi.

  They literally call everyone a Nazi nowadays who is not aligning their views with them

  They call gay people, Jews ... Nazis

  They Dox and harass people who dare to disagree with pumping up children with hormones for gender change or those who do not want to have late term abortions legalized
A lot of what you say strikes me as the stream-of-semi-consciousness rantings of someone only familiar with one side of an argument. There's disgusting behavior on both sides of the fence, and what you describe as the behavior of the entirety of "left leaning groups" is, in reality, only a very small percentage of people, and the same is true for "right leaning groups". And that's part of the problem of "open platforms" combined with "freedom of speech": a very small number of hateful bigoted types, or trolls wanting to portray that, end up being used as exemplary mascots for "the other side". It's a tactic the media have been using for years, to a less extreme degree, but "we, the people" need to be smarter about not falling for it.

Re: F-Droids statement on their ban of Gab

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Post by beshrkayali »

phoe-krk wrote: post #19
beshrkayali wrote: post #14

Banning Gab will only make it more "exciting" and increase its exclusive allure to those who seek something like this. I'm not sure I buy their reasoning (or Mastodon's for that matter). I think all of this is either just a way to avoid controversy (which is silly, but people would be more receptive to it, if they just came out and said that, without the virtue signaling); or it's just that they feel like they cannot…

Yes, some people are unable to deal with the faulty/evil ideologies, simply because they run out of spoons. This is exactly why bans like this come into place. Nobody is forced to deal with the kind of people who post and stay on Gab. The action that you see here is the direct effect of many, many people exercising their freedom of speech to say that they do not want to deal with the people who follow the brand of th…

Gab users already have the audience/megaphone, aka "the means" to practice their free speech. I'm not saying that fdroid is not allowed to remove gab if they want to, but it's still going to indirectly benefit gab. Same as Alex Jones fiasco. Bans don't work. And if we've all collectively ran out of spoons like you say to argue against their weak propaganda, then we have a more severe problem on our hands than having gab on this store or that one. Just out of curiosity, have you seen what's on Gab? Faulty ideologies need to be discussed in the open.

Re: F-Droids statement on their ban of Gab

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Post by SuperNinKenDo »

phoe-krk wrote: post #25
SuperNinKenDo wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing you just said contradicts or even really attempts to contradict my very simple statement.

> Just don't install the app, and you won't see what people post on Gab. False. Gab recently became Activity-Pub compatible by forking Mastodon code, so now either your Fediverse instance's administrator or you must ban what Gab people post. So, obviously, you can see what Gab people say even without installing the app, which contradicts your implication.

Again, nothing about hosting Gab apps forces you to install them and be exposed to content from Gab. You still fail to address my point.
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