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F-Droids statement on their ban of Gab

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Re: F-Droids statement on their ban of Gab

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Post by SuperNinKenDo »

phoe-krk wrote: post #5

A lot of Gabfolk seem to want the freedom of speech while directly denying others' freedom to not listen to what they say. That's... a literal lack of consequence in their train of thought, to put it lightly. Gab is free to speak everything they speak: yayyyyy that is the right way we are indestructible F-Droid is free to remove their app: what the fuck do these this is unlawful and illegal and mandates prison And wh…

There's nothing about allowing Gab apps on F-Droid that denies anybody "the right not to hear something". Just don't install the app, and you won't see what people post on Gab.

Re: F-Droids statement on their ban of Gab

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Post by SuperNinKenDo »

Semaphor wrote: post #10

Can we get the title changed mods? Nothing seems to indicate F-Droid banned Gab. At least not in the linked article.

>Because of this, it won’t package nor distribute apps that promote any of these things. This includes that it won’t distribute an app that promotes the usage of previously mentioned website, by either its branding, its pre-filled instance domain or any other direct promotion.

Pretty clearly a ban, whatever you think of it.

Re: F-Droids statement on their ban of Gab

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Post by phoe-krk »

SuperNinKenDo wrote: post #11
phoe-krk wrote: post #5

A lot of Gabfolk seem to want the freedom of speech while directly denying others' freedom to not listen to what they say. That's... a literal lack of consequence in their train of thought, to put it lightly. Gab is free to speak everything they speak: yayyyyy that is the right way we are indestructible F-Droid is free to remove their app: what the fuck do these this is unlawful and illegal and mandates prison And wh…

There's nothing about allowing Gab apps on F-Droid that denies anybody "the right not to hear something". Just don't install the app, and you won't see what people post on Gab.

The removal of Gab app from F-Droid is precisely exercising of the freedom of the right not to hear something.

Gab is just like any other Fediverse client - with an important difference. To show it, let's use an example: for instance, Firefox doesn't brand itself with the logo of a company that abuses free speech to promote and benefit off hate speech. This is exactly what Gab does and - at least for me - which is the elephant in the room that hardly anyone talks about. Free speech, free speech, but why is Gab so proud of performing and/or tolerating gestures that actively harm other people?

Gab, as a company, focuses on monetizing hate speech that it propagates via free speech. That's what I called the abuse of free speech previously in the discussion.

Since Gab is a corporate instance and access is offered for free, then I am the product, even if I'm just a number in their user count; it means that if I join Gab, I help Gab in its goals, also in the one that I stated above. I do not want to do this, and I consider other people who stay there complicit or supportive of that behaviour. If they were not okay with what Gab does, they would not stay there.

Re: F-Droids statement on their ban of Gab

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Post by beshrkayali »

Banning Gab will only make it more "exciting" and increase its exclusive allure to those who seek something like this. I'm not sure I buy their reasoning (or Mastodon's for that matter). I think all of this is either just a way to avoid controversy (which is silly, but people would be more receptive to it, if they just came out and said that, without the virtue signaling); or it's just that they feel like they cannot argue against those faulty/evil ideologies (which is concerning). I feel like I'm stating the obvious here but racisim and racisit propaganda won't just go away if you ban it, quite the opposite, it'll fester and gain new grounds and people. Banning (especially from supposedly free software groups) is indirectly doing a service to their propaganda.

Re: F-Droids statement on their ban of Gab

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Post by foota »

beshrkayali wrote: post #14

Banning Gab will only make it more "exciting" and increase its exclusive allure to those who seek something like this. I'm not sure I buy their reasoning (or Mastodon's for that matter). I think all of this is either just a way to avoid controversy (which is silly, but people would be more receptive to it, if they just came out and said that, without the virtue signaling); or it's just that they feel like they cannot…

I think there's two sides to this, by leaving it in the store you cut out a feed of organic growth, at the cost of some publicity, I feel like the loss of growth from people getting it from the store is greater than the gain from publicity.

Re: F-Droids statement on their ban of Gab

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Post by phoe-krk »

beshrkayali wrote: post #14

Banning Gab will only make it more "exciting" and increase its exclusive allure to those who seek something like this. I'm not sure I buy their reasoning (or Mastodon's for that matter). I think all of this is either just a way to avoid controversy (which is silly, but people would be more receptive to it, if they just came out and said that, without the virtue signaling); or it's just that they feel like they cannot…

Yes, some people are unable to deal with the faulty/evil ideologies, simply because they run out of spoons. This is exactly why bans like this come into place.

Nobody is forced to deal with the kind of people who post and stay on Gab. The action that you see here is the direct effect of many, many people exercising their freedom of speech to say that they do not want to deal with the people who follow the brand of this software.

Gab has the right to speak freely; it does not have the right to a free audience and/or megaphone. The decision you see here is a direct consequence of them refusing to address the problem of hate speech festering on their platform.

Re: F-Droids statement on their ban of Gab

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Post by SuperNinKenDo »

phoe-krk wrote: post #13
SuperNinKenDo wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's nothing about allowing Gab apps on F-Droid that denies anybody "the right not to hear something". Just don't install the app, and you won't see what people post on Gab.

The removal of Gab app from F-Droid is precisely exercising of the freedom of the right not to hear something. Gab is just like any other Fediverse client - with an important difference. To show it, let's use an example: for instance, Firefox doesn't brand itself with the logo of a company that abuses free speech to promote and benefit off hate speech. This is exactly what Gab does and - at least for me - which is th…

Nothing you just said contradicts or even really attempts to contradict my very simple statement.
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