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China's rising tech scene threatens US brain drain as ‘sea turtles’ return home

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When I was living in China this didn't bother most of the Han Chinese I met. Most of them were so concerned about lifting their families out of poverty and providing for their future that if you said to them "but you can't speak out about human rights abuses" they'd just look at you like "why the hell would I want to do that".

Maybe they don't talk about it because they know they are not allowed to talk about it. I knew a Chinese exchange student who would debate all sorts of things, but when you brought up the Chinese government she would come to a hard stop and say "I don't talk about that." It's probably smart if you're from an authoritarian country.

There's a legitimate point to view according to which democracy and the right to vote don't really matter that much. At the end of the day people want to live meaningful, fulfilling lives, and there's little reason to think that living under an authoritarian regime per se has any impact on your life's meaning or affects one's ability to pursue intrinsically rewarding activities (unlike, say, poverty, which does pose a genuine obstacle, because it forces one to become someone else's machine for a big portion of one's life). If anything it may have a salutary effect by discouraging people from pursuing politics or engaging in political conversations (which is the unmeaningful activity par excellence, as additive as video games, while at the same time carrying far more danger because one tends not to feel guilty about wasting one's time on it).

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The most concerning quote: "About 80 percent of Chinese students who get degrees abroad now go back — up from about 33 percent in 2007, according to China’s Ministry of Education. Some 15 percent take jobs in China’s booming tech sector." Attracting top global talent has always been a competitive advance for America, and it's not a good sign for our economy if we can't retain people that we are educating here.

I am surprised after reading the comments here:) the simple fact is that there are more students from China to US over the years because more students can afford the tuitions, while the H1B visa quota remain the same; also there are more and more students from global as well to compete on the H1B quota. so most of the students have to go back simply because there is not enough visa for them to stay.

This is a really excellent point I didn’t even think about.

Re: China's rising tech scene threatens US brain drain as ‘sea turtles’ return home

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The most concerning quote: "About 80 percent of Chinese students who get degrees abroad now go back — up from about 33 percent in 2007, according to China’s Ministry of Education. Some 15 percent take jobs in China’s booming tech sector." Attracting top global talent has always been a competitive advance for America, and it's not a good sign for our economy if we can't retain people that we are educating here.

I'm from the nordics and I when I was younger I thought of the US as the ultimate place to be.

Now, having been there quite a bit, I must say that it really doesn't impress.

The impression I got visiting the US in general (NY, Seattle, San Fran, LA), is that it all seems quite ran down, full of inequality and social problems, and lacking soul, mainly from being so consumerist.

And although I would concievebly earn a lot more working over there, the total cost of living would probably more than make up for that increase. Especially considering having kids.

My friend who is a US citizen with a well-paying engineering job in the LA area, is considering moving back. The work culture is quite hectic, and the amount of trouble they've been through with child care, insurance issues etc are making them reconsider. Not to mention that the area is super-busy and you spend a large portion of your free time in your car.

This obviously doesn't describe the entirety of the United States, but sometimes I wonder if people from the US are aware of living conditions in other western countries. I'm not so sure that the US is coming out on top any longer.

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4 times less likely to get murdered in China than in USA. Sounds like a better place to raise a kid too.

Until you realize they are 4 times more likely to die in a car accident in China vs the USA. If you are just concerned about survivability, this isn’t a good bet.

Probably has to do with people not wearing seatbelts. I remember years ago the taxis had covers on back seats so you couldn't even reach the buckles. Then Shenzhen enforced belts on all seats and things got better there. I wonder if it spread to other cities.

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This statement seems true without context but false with context. Allow me to provide the context: If you're a Chinese internantional student living in the USA where the #1 guy in the country uses Identity Politics as its arsenal to win and lead the country, you, as an outsider, will feel insecure w.r.t of races. If you're a Chinese international student coming back home to your country of origin, you're used to the…

We don't have mass shootings every week. 70% of gun deaths are suicides. The majority of the rest are inner city unlawful gang-on-gang violence. Most people never even see a gun in the US in their lifetime. Stop spreading misinformation and fear-mongering propaganda.

There have been more mass shootings so far in 2019 than there have been days.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_...

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Nothing to be surprised about.

Hometown is almost more attractive if other factors considered to be irrelevant. You have your native language, your family around, the food and just familiarity of things, as comparing to be a foreigner in a country that constantly put your status at risk.

Why America if it is hostile? What for?

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Does anybody know how hard it is for non-Chinese citizens to live and work in China? One of the competitive advantages of the US has been its ability to draw top talent from all over the world and not just its own citizens. Chinese citizens leaving the US is not a good thing, but it is just one nationality. If China manages to draw talent from everywhere, then the US has a real problem ahead of it. For example, my te…

Pretty hard.

China is not an immigrant country. If you don't look like Chinese/Asian, then you are an outiler.

Diversity isn't something China, or East Asia values in general, uniformity instead.

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The most concerning quote: "About 80 percent of Chinese students who get degrees abroad now go back — up from about 33 percent in 2007, according to China’s Ministry of Education. Some 15 percent take jobs in China’s booming tech sector." Attracting top global talent has always been a competitive advance for America, and it's not a good sign for our economy if we can't retain people that we are educating here.

I'm from the nordics and I when I was younger I thought of the US as the ultimate place to be. Now, having been there quite a bit, I must say that it really doesn't impress. The impression I got visiting the US in general (NY, Seattle, San Fran, LA), is that it all seems quite ran down, full of inequality and social problems, and lacking soul, mainly from being so consumerist. And although I would concievebly earn a…

I talk to quite a lot of Americans online and many of them really are not aware, as they are programmers they generally earn good (by UK standards very good) money but then you start talking to them about what good health insurance for a family of four costs and suddenly things start to look different.

I think in some respects the US has coasted on it's former economic glory - I mean sure Silicon Valley is a mecca for folks like us but then you look at things outside of the those types of Nexuses and its a very different picture.

In Europe the UK is often regarded (sometimes appropriately) as US-lite but we are still an ocean away literally and figuratively from them in so many ways.

Given a lever between moving our politics closer to Nordic countries or the US I know which way I'd push it, I'll take a more equal fairer society with better outcomes for more people over a decrease in the already tiny chance to be super rich - its not really something I've ever really thought about as an end goal anyway - the increase in freedom would be nice but I can't imagine I'd still work insanely hard for that second billion, I'd probably potter about the world learning about history and art and working on open source.

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> yes, I'm dead serious, Americans want everything and they don't like rules Best not be so serious: You're mistaken. Is a whipping a proper punishment for chewing gum left on a Singapore sidewalk? > Step inside a land/house by accident and gets killed by the homeowner's M14 is just... nuts (yes I know I'm exaggerating a bit). Does the dead seriousness lead you to believe Americans approve of this nutso reaction?

Is a whipping a proper punishment for chewing gum left on a Singapore sidewalk? The last time I stepped in chewing gum I felt the answer was an unequivocal yes.

Fun fact: Chewing gums do not rot as they are rubber like car tires. And usually it is not allowed to throw car tires on the streets (learned that from a kids show recently!!)

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The most concerning quote: "About 80 percent of Chinese students who get degrees abroad now go back — up from about 33 percent in 2007, according to China’s Ministry of Education. Some 15 percent take jobs in China’s booming tech sector." Attracting top global talent has always been a competitive advance for America, and it's not a good sign for our economy if we can't retain people that we are educating here.

This is just as true with Indian students. Most people don't know how hard, how expensive, and how long it takes for someone to become a naturalized citizen. Combined with hostile rhetoric towards immigrants - and staying away from politics as much as possible, this is a big factor and not always precisely targeted to "illegal" immigration, the US is just not as attractive for knowledge workers as it was 5-10 years a…

Name a single time that Donald trump has said that he wants to prevent highly intelligent, highly educated people from other countries coming here. Name a single instance of it. I defy you to.
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