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Apple begins exporting India-made iPhones to European markets

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Post by bildung »

rorykoehler wrote: post #123
bildung wrote: post #104

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> This does not make climate change less of an issue. We're at an important turning point and the developed nations just can't stop it alone. India really isn't much of an issue on that front. The 1.3 billion people living in India produce less than half the greenhouse gas emission of the USA, which has less than 1/4 of India's population.

We all know the US is the worst offender for greenhouse gases but there's more to pollution than global warming.

Absolutely! My response was specifically adressing the climate change aspect, not pollution in general.

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Post by distant_hat »

rubyn00bie wrote: post #7
new299 wrote: post #2

I’d be curious to know which parts of the manufacturing process are carried out in India. I assume it includes “final assembly”. But does all CNC work, PCB assembly happen in India? PCB assembly in particular, seems unlikely? The supply chains are all in China, and it’s a largely automated procsss.

It's been hard for me to find a definitive number [1], and what that actually means, but it looks like to labeled something as "made in India" companies are required to have 30% of the final product locally sourced. [1] https://indianexpress.com/article/technology/tech-news-techn... I linked this article because the bit at the bottom: > According to the foreign direct investment rules [...] “sourcing of 30 per cent o…

Apple asked for and got exemptions to the 30% rule.

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Post by ksec »

amdavidson wrote: post #126
ksec wrote: post #39

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That is not entirely true, you cant just name an R&D budget, you have to show it in some way.

It is super true if you are using outside resources for R&D/NREC. Line item on the PO or wrap it into the part costs.

Is this specifically US? Surely you cant warp, say PCB that normally cost 20 cents on the upper bound and average of 10 cents, and say it now cost $20, because you are amortise $2 Billion of R&D over the 100M unit?

You could definitely hide a lot of R&D within some form of limit, but it isn't a free pass for everything. At least from what I knew in the old UK's standard. There is a new what's labeled as UK's GAAP which I have no idea about.

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Post by gingabriska »

option_greek wrote: post #127
oska wrote: post #111

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Desalination is not a panacea.

Why ?

I guess because of the high cost involved, middle east has same sunlight, same ocean and only thing which differs is the money they posses due to petrochemical exports.

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Post by mikepurvis »

fastball wrote: post #79
mikepurvis wrote: post #37

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I guess that's true. If you're not actually selling them other than in your device, you can argue that they're basically worthless as bits of plastic and metal, and all the "value" is being created by the India-based assembly process that turns them from parts into functioning phones.

Not if you're paying X to produce these parts. You can't say "this part is only worth $10" if it's costing you $100 to produce.

Does it actually cost $100 to produce an IC, though? Like, the manufacture of the device itself is relatively cheap, especially in volume— all the cost is R&D, test harnesses, simulation, license fees, etc.

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Post by mindfulplay »

krageon wrote: post #128
mindfulplay wrote: post #33

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Western concerns imposed on developing countries is not a good idea. Life here is safe and sound for us to think about climate change and other things. When people in India don't even have clean water or electricity they shouldn't give a shit about environment or other things. It took the US 200 years of development before it started working about these things. And the US is / was a developed nation.

If all the "developing countries" don't learn from developed countries' mistakes everyone will be poor 100 years from now, because it'll keep going to shit same as it is now.

Again a priority for the US.. Imagine if British in late 1700s had said and made sure that "we will only hand off this beautiful country to you if you abolish slavery". It took a whopping 100 years before anything happened.

These are all imagined, self-righteous concerns.

Leave a country to sort out its own misery in its own time. We have meddled and tortured enough out of these countries already.

If there is any priority or imposition, I would want to think like Bill Gates... His priorities are aligned with the well-being of the developing nations not the US.

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Post by mindfulplay »

If anything this will help lift a lot of people out of abject poverty and disease.

Yes money will get filtered through politicians and corrupt machinery, but the people and their children will have the tools and education over time to course-correct their own country.

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Post by kumarharsh »

rorykoehler wrote: post #41
pushtheenvelope wrote: post #30

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Your comment is rather patronising. Every year that goes by where India doesn't raise its standard of living, results in millions of stunted childhoods and lives. India needs all the manufacturing growth it can get. The equivalent to your comment would be Indians on this forum leaving gratuitious remarks about the West ruining the planet with its excessively polluting ways. Just because you cannot see it around you,…

It's not patronising at all. It's the reality. They got major shit to deal with. We all do but theirs is on another scale. Pretending they don't because of some misguided fear of being seen as patronising doesn't change it one bit. Like I said I hope they are successful as I hope we all are so we emerge from this existential threat together stronger and more wise but I fear for a place like India based on what I saw…

And how do you suggest India "deals with it"? Because you've discarded creating more job opportunities as a viable solution.

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Post by TomMarius »

shitgoose wrote: post #86
dirtyid wrote: post #75

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The Chinese supply chains that eventually build the iPhone grew from economic development zones in the 80s. India isn't starting from zero, but it's also not going to replicate that within a decade. Assuming it could - we don't know if democracies can direct capital development the same way authoritarian state capitalism could. I think India should be fine, at least in the short term, if only because Chinese manufact…

"Chinese manufacturing want to migrate to ASEAN" curious, what do you mean by that? "China will spin up African manufacturing" you think that will work? also, my limited understanding is that china is after africa's natural resources, infrastructure etc, not people.

> infrastructure

Hardly, they're building it themself since there isn't any

Re: Apple begins exporting India-made iPhones to European markets

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Post by pushtheenvelope »

rorykoehler wrote: post #41
pushtheenvelope wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment is rather patronising. Every year that goes by where India doesn't raise its standard of living, results in millions of stunted childhoods and lives. India needs all the manufacturing growth it can get. The equivalent to your comment would be Indians on this forum leaving gratuitious remarks about the West ruining the planet with its excessively polluting ways. Just because you cannot see it around you,…

It's not patronising at all. It's the reality. They got major shit to deal with. We all do but theirs is on another scale. Pretending they don't because of some misguided fear of being seen as patronising doesn't change it one bit. Like I said I hope they are successful as I hope we all are so we emerge from this existential threat together stronger and more wise but I fear for a place like India based on what I saw…

I felt it was patronizing because the original article is about manufacturing progress in a country that has been notoriously behind the curve on manufacturing. Making iphones is not what one normally associates as a dirty or polluting industrial effort.

Instead of directly discussing the merit (or not) of this move by Apple, you chose to bring up an unrelated topic of general environmental problems in India.

Lets imagine the article was about Apple opening a new manufacturing facility in Texas. Would you have brought up other social/political/environmental challenges that Texas faces (oh i don't know, like racial equity, or floods)? My guess is that would be unlikely, since its kinda off-topic and would be clear you are trying to express some other gratuitous concern you may have about that region.

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