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Re: Apple begins exporting India-made iPhones to European markets

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Post by rusticpenn »

dirtyid wrote: post #75
shitgoose wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

first iphone was announced in 2007. much less than one generation ago. india will be fine.

The Chinese supply chains that eventually build the iPhone grew from economic development zones in the 80s. India isn't starting from zero, but it's also not going to replicate that within a decade. Assuming it could - we don't know if democracies can direct capital development the same way authoritarian state capitalism could. I think India should be fine, at least in the short term, if only because Chinese manufact…

As far as I know, India has atleast one Nokia manufacturing plant...

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Post by etaioinshrdlu »

dahfizz wrote: post #73
etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #52

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Exactly, it would be a courageous move for the richest company in the world (by cash on hand, seems to still be Apple by a wide margin) to risk losing $$ for standing up with its moral values.

It would also be great if they donated 50% of profits to charity. Companies don't throw away money for the fun of it. For all it's 'courage' and self righteousness, Apple is a profit seeking entity like every other.

Some Apple core values:

https://www.apple.com/environment/

https://www.apple.com/diversity/

https://www.apple.com/privacy/

https://www.apple.com/supplier-responsibility/

Those are some fantastic values. It's our job as the public to demand companies stick to their values and to cause a ruckus if they act like hypocrites. And it's our job to pass laws to encourage better values. My 2 cents.

Re: Apple begins exporting India-made iPhones to European markets

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Post by trevyn »

rubyn00bie wrote: post #7
new299 wrote: post #2

I’d be curious to know which parts of the manufacturing process are carried out in India. I assume it includes “final assembly”. But does all CNC work, PCB assembly happen in India? PCB assembly in particular, seems unlikely? The supply chains are all in China, and it’s a largely automated procsss.

It's been hard for me to find a definitive number [1], and what that actually means, but it looks like to labeled something as "made in India" companies are required to have 30% of the final product locally sourced. [1] https://indianexpress.com/article/technology/tech-news-techn... I linked this article because the bit at the bottom: > According to the foreign direct investment rules [...] “sourcing of 30 per cent o…

The phones are labeled "Assembled in India", not "Made in India", and have less than 30% locally sourced materials. There is some discussion to possibly meet this level eventually, but it is not currently the case.

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Post by bildung »

solarkraft wrote: post #43
mindfulplay wrote: post #33

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Western concerns imposed on developing countries is not a good idea. Life here is safe and sound for us to think about climate change and other things. When people in India don't even have clean water or electricity they shouldn't give a shit about environment or other things. It took the US 200 years of development before it started working about these things. And the US is / was a developed nation.

This does not make climate change less of an issue. We're at an important turning point and the developed nations just can't stop it alone. Of course they should be doing way, way more and support ways of cleaner development financially.

> This does not make climate change less of an issue. We're at an important turning point and the developed nations just can't stop it alone.

India really isn't much of an issue on that front. The 1.3 billion people living in India produce less than half the greenhouse gas emission of the USA, which has less than 1/4 of India's population.

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Post by vbezhenar »

handedness wrote: post #58
vbezhenar wrote: post #17

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iPhone 6 is surprising indeed, because upcoming iOS 13 does not support it. Selling devices which will stop updating in a few months sounds very bad.

They’ll continue to receive security updates.

It's nice to know, thanks. I wonder why they decide to drop support of those quite modern phones. I could understand when they dropped support for old phones with slow CPU and tiny RAM, or when they dropped support for 32 bit. But iPhone SE is very powerful device, for example.

Re: Apple begins exporting India-made iPhones to European markets

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Post by caymanjim »

codeisawesome wrote: post #69

How do giants deal with the lack of a fast moving courts system?

Mostly through bribery and the use of influence pedalling. I'm not saying that Apple will directly engage in these practices, or condone them, but whenever you have a poor country and an inefficient bureaucracy, someone is paying someone to keep things moving. In the US we've largely legalized bribery and buying influence, via unlimited campaign contributions and lobbying. The same thing happens everywhere else in the world, but it's still more under the covers there.

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Post by rorykoehler »

puranjay wrote: post #99
rorykoehler wrote: post #49

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Everything is booming in India. I can see huge amounts of manufacturing moving there in the coming decade as countries start to fear China.

This isn't quite the truth. In fact, I'd say that everything has kind of stalled in India. Real estate development has stalled, the auto industry is in a downward spiral (8 consecutive months of negative growth; sales down almost 25% YoY), and demand for consumer electronics is dwindling. There's a credit crunch thanks to banks getting rid of non performing assets. Add to that, there's a shortage of water.

Certainly didn't feel like it in Pune. New towns are mushrooming up along the highway like there's no tomorrow.

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Post by rorykoehler »

harigov wrote: post #87
rorykoehler wrote: post #25

I have mixed feelings about the move of manufacturing to India. Whilst I would like Indians to be economically successful I can't ignore the ecological disaster that is happening in their country. It is absolutely terrifying. The air in Mumbai was unbreathable when I visited and it wasn't even ranking remotely near the top in the most polluted city air in India at the time (Delhi's was 3x as bad). Adding to this the…

I always thought that the Indian population is at a disastrous proportions but I saw this website recently that compared size of a country with another country - https://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/indi... It seems like India is 9 times the size of Japan and 10 times the population. It's high but its not unmanageably high for a fertile piece of land with good weather for significant part of the ye…

I have to hedge my tentative comments by pointing out that India is probably doing the best wildlife conservation job of any country in the world bar New Zealand. That they can faciltate such large populations of tigers and elephants in such a densely populated country speaks volumes in favour of them.

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Post by SuoDuanDao »

alexashka wrote: post #61
thanks1banks2 wrote: post #42

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Please. It is well documented that systemic corruption was introduced at scale by the East India Company and we carry a lot of arcane baggage from the erstwhile colonial power. We are eradicating it through education and technology to the extent possible, albeit at a slower pace than we would ideally like.

I don't think anyone is arguing why there is systemic corruption. The parent was merely pointing out that it's a problem today . If it's of any comfort - corruption is alive and well in most other countries as well, they simply have more resources per citizen and as a result, it is better disguised. The solution seems to be to raise the standard of living of everyone involved - corruption is not going anywhere, it se…

That might be an excessively pessimistic attitude - intolerance of corruption is also a deeply rooted human trait.

It seems to me there might be some tradeoff between having a flexible society and having a just one, the more leeway any particular actor has, the more they can use that leeway to gain personal advantage. It seems at least possible that a thorough study of the factors affecting levels of corruption could improve the overall system to have both more personal freedom and less overall corruption.

Re: Apple begins exporting India-made iPhones to European markets

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Post by mertnesvat »

rorykoehler wrote: post #25

I have mixed feelings about the move of manufacturing to India. Whilst I would like Indians to be economically successful I can't ignore the ecological disaster that is happening in their country. It is absolutely terrifying. The air in Mumbai was unbreathable when I visited and it wasn't even ranking remotely near the top in the most polluted city air in India at the time (Delhi's was 3x as bad). Adding to this the…

" 1800s England, Manchester child workers were losing their hands to clean dirt from textile machine without stoping them because it can effect their productivity. Same children who has just cleaned narrow chimney. "

I think this pollution and all those sufferings are first step of industrialisation you might say what about current england or germany, I guess they suffered enough to make changes.

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