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Re: Apple begins exporting India-made iPhones to European markets

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Post by rorykoehler » Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 2:02 AM UTC

pushtheenvelope wrote: post #30

rorykoehler wrote: post #25

I have mixed feelings about the move of manufacturing to India. Whilst I would like Indians to be economically successful I can't ignore the ecological disaster that is happening in their country. It is absolutely terrifying. The air in Mumbai was unbreathable when I visited and it wasn't even ranking remotely near the top in the most polluted city air in India at the time (Delhi's was 3x as bad). Adding to this the…

Your comment is rather patronising. Every year that goes by where India doesn't raise its standard of living, results in millions of stunted childhoods and lives. India needs all the manufacturing growth it can get. The equivalent to your comment would be Indians on this forum leaving gratuitious remarks about the West ruining the planet with its excessively polluting ways. Just because you cannot see it around you,…

It's not patronising at all. It's the reality. They got major shit to deal with. We all do but theirs is on another scale. Pretending they don't because of some misguided fear of being seen as patronising doesn't change it one bit. Like I said I hope they are successful as I hope we all are so we emerge from this existential threat together stronger and more wise but I fear for a place like India based on what I saw more than I do Europe or the US or even SE Asia.

Re: Apple begins exporting India-made iPhones to European markets

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Post by thanks1banks2 » Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 2:03 AM UTC

AtomicOrbital wrote: post #32

desi_ninja wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you need a lot of money to fix these problems. successful manufacturing hub will bring that money. This is a pattern. Indian booming tech sector led to a lot of improvements

Core issue in India is systemic corruption ... failure of rule of law a close second ... Until these are addressed that culture will squander it's future

Please. It is well documented that systemic corruption was introduced at scale by the East India Company and we carry a lot of arcane baggage from the erstwhile colonial power.

We are eradicating it through education and technology to the extent possible, albeit at a slower pace than we would ideally like.

Re: Apple begins exporting India-made iPhones to European markets

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Post by solarkraft » Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 2:04 AM UTC

mindfulplay wrote: post #33

rorykoehler wrote: post #25

I have mixed feelings about the move of manufacturing to India. Whilst I would like Indians to be economically successful I can't ignore the ecological disaster that is happening in their country. It is absolutely terrifying. The air in Mumbai was unbreathable when I visited and it wasn't even ranking remotely near the top in the most polluted city air in India at the time (Delhi's was 3x as bad). Adding to this the…

Western concerns imposed on developing countries is not a good idea. Life here is safe and sound for us to think about climate change and other things. When people in India don't even have clean water or electricity they shouldn't give a shit about environment or other things. It took the US 200 years of development before it started working about these things. And the US is / was a developed nation.

This does not make climate change less of an issue. We're at an important turning point and the developed nations just can't stop it alone.

Of course they should be doing way, way more and support ways of cleaner development financially.

Re: Apple begins exporting India-made iPhones to European markets

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Post by rorykoehler » Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 2:05 AM UTC

desi_ninja wrote: post #29

rorykoehler wrote: post #25

I have mixed feelings about the move of manufacturing to India. Whilst I would like Indians to be economically successful I can't ignore the ecological disaster that is happening in their country. It is absolutely terrifying. The air in Mumbai was unbreathable when I visited and it wasn't even ranking remotely near the top in the most polluted city air in India at the time (Delhi's was 3x as bad). Adding to this the…

you need a lot of money to fix these problems. successful manufacturing hub will bring that money. This is a pattern. Indian booming tech sector led to a lot of improvements

I agree completely but money isn't the only parameter. Timing, rate of environmental degradation, culture, politics and future unknown curve balls (luck) will all play a large part in the development of this history.

Re: Apple begins exporting India-made iPhones to European markets

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Post by solarkraft » Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 2:09 AM UTC

new299 wrote: post #2

I’d be curious to know which parts of the manufacturing process are carried out in India. I assume it includes “final assembly”. But does all CNC work, PCB assembly happen in India? PCB assembly in particular, seems unlikely? The supply chains are all in China, and it’s a largely automated procsss.

Note that largely automated processes are quite easygoing to move between regions, since labor cost is not a significant factor.

Re: Apple begins exporting India-made iPhones to European markets

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Post by xenocyon » Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 2:11 AM UTC

rorykoehler wrote: post #25

I have mixed feelings about the move of manufacturing to India. Whilst I would like Indians to be economically successful I can't ignore the ecological disaster that is happening in their country. It is absolutely terrifying. The air in Mumbai was unbreathable when I visited and it wasn't even ranking remotely near the top in the most polluted city air in India at the time (Delhi's was 3x as bad). Adding to this the…

Your concerns are real but not germane to the issue. The main issue with air quality in Indian cities is particulate matter, which has little to do with semiconductor manufacturing or assembly.

Re: Apple begins exporting India-made iPhones to European markets

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Post by unexpected » Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 2:13 AM UTC

rorykoehler wrote: post #25

I have mixed feelings about the move of manufacturing to India. Whilst I would like Indians to be economically successful I can't ignore the ecological disaster that is happening in their country. It is absolutely terrifying. The air in Mumbai was unbreathable when I visited and it wasn't even ranking remotely near the top in the most polluted city air in India at the time (Delhi's was 3x as bad). Adding to this the…

Let's use your reasons, but look at it from the opposite side: 1) The largest contributor to the poor air quality in India is the practice of burning to clear fields, cook stoves that use wood, and the burning of cow dung [https://www.vox.com/2018/5/8/17316978/india-pollution-levels...].

One easy way to bring these people out of poverty is to provide them with good economic opportunities (like factory jobs!). High-tech factories would demand cleaner, more stable power (natural gas, nuclear instead of coal, wood, cow dung).

2) India's totally overpopulated, agreed. One way to decrease the population growth is to bring these people out of poverty. Every developed country has seen their birth rate decline once they move to the middle class. These guys need jobs, college, etc, and people will start having less kids!

Re: Apple begins exporting India-made iPhones to European markets

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Post by rorykoehler » Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 2:17 AM UTC

unexpected wrote: post #47

rorykoehler wrote: post #25

I have mixed feelings about the move of manufacturing to India. Whilst I would like Indians to be economically successful I can't ignore the ecological disaster that is happening in their country. It is absolutely terrifying. The air in Mumbai was unbreathable when I visited and it wasn't even ranking remotely near the top in the most polluted city air in India at the time (Delhi's was 3x as bad). Adding to this the…

Let's use your reasons, but look at it from the opposite side: 1) The largest contributor to the poor air quality in India is the practice of burning to clear fields, cook stoves that use wood, and the burning of cow dung [ https://www.vox.com/2018/5/8/17316978/india-pollution-levels... ]. One easy way to bring these people out of poverty is to provide them with good economic opportunities (like factory jobs!). High-…

Yes it is a timing issue. Can they do it before it's too late?

Re: Apple begins exporting India-made iPhones to European markets

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Post by rorykoehler » Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 2:18 AM UTC

xenocyon wrote: post #46

rorykoehler wrote: post #25

I have mixed feelings about the move of manufacturing to India. Whilst I would like Indians to be economically successful I can't ignore the ecological disaster that is happening in their country. It is absolutely terrifying. The air in Mumbai was unbreathable when I visited and it wasn't even ranking remotely near the top in the most polluted city air in India at the time (Delhi's was 3x as bad). Adding to this the…

Your concerns are real but not germane to the issue. The main issue with air quality in Indian cities is particulate matter, which has little to do with semiconductor manufacturing or assembly.

Everything is booming in India. I can see huge amounts of manufacturing moving there in the coming decade as countries start to fear China.

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Post by perfopt » Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 2:24 AM UTC

techie128 wrote: post #13

jorblumesea wrote: post #10

Is there any concern that the PRC issues are just a symptom of a developing nation bootstrapping? What are the chances that India does the same? Obviously China has some specific cultural issues but it might be hard for developing nations to resist the temptation to steal Western tech.

I believe India has had a better track record than China as far as IP is concerned. The only concern I would have is India's patent laws are different from the US. Evergreening of drugs has been repeatedly rejected.

"Evergreening of drugs has been repeatedly rejected"

Why is this a concern?