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Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by Gigablah » Fri, Jul 05, 2019, 5:13 AM UTC

briandear wrote: post #431

dmix wrote: post #341

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If Apple gets rid of the TouchBar + fixes the keyboard that'd eliminate 90% of the complaints against Macbook Pros.

The Touchbar is a source of many complaints? Or just a small slice of people who complain loudly? Anecdotally, I have many relatives with touchbar MacBook Pros and they haven’t complained about it. Is it possible that many people actually like the touchbar but they don’t spend their time on specialized forums singing its praises? It just seems like the assumption that people hate the touchbar is selection bias. Aside…

Ah, Schrödinger‘s Silent Majority.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by RayVR » Fri, Jul 05, 2019, 5:20 AM UTC

screye wrote: post #465

RayVR wrote: post #144

Having used the 2018 MacBook Air for about 3 months now, I can say I really detest it and I would return it if that were possible. 1) the keyboard. This thing really feels like slamming your fingers into a metal slab. I think my iPad Pro keyboard is better. The MacBook Air keyboard is also very loud. For something with so little depth the sound is shocking. 2) the webcam. Total garbage. In a laptop this expensive I t…

With Jony Ive gone, I hope they finally move towards function over form. From what I've been reading, the push for portraying Apple as a fashion company, came directly from Ive's side.

Having no real insight into who made what decisions, I think Apple’s focus on design is laudable. There are many things done right. It’s just that as someone that relies heavily on my tech, the things they’ve done wrong really hit home.

The keyboard I can almost understand. You might argue that there were true believers in the tech, thinking they just needed to iron out some problems and then it would be “so much better.”

The webcam is something that just makes me mad. It is clearly just bad. Even with ok lighting the video quality is just horrendous. There’s absolutely no excuse. It’s basically apple saying they don’t give a fuck.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by panda88888 » Fri, Jul 05, 2019, 5:58 AM UTC

gmueckl wrote: post #363

ivankolev wrote: post #140

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The bit about the swappable pen tip picked my interest, cool feature! As an avid believer that pen input is the most flexible way to express your thought process, I find it a bit of a lost art though, people born in the new millennium just wont spend the time to learn to write cursive. I went through most of the Note generation from Samsung and the SPen is getting really close to the look and feel of writing on paper…

About 15 years ago during my studies I dreamt of a tablet device with pen input and hand writing recognition for advanced maths. I was writing a lot during my physics lectures but almost no plain text. I would still like to have such a device, but also with a CAS integrated with the handwriting recognition. This would take the pain out of typing stuff into a CAS using obscure syntax.

IMO iPad Pro with the appropriate software would be perfect. However, I think handwriting recognition for math might be too much a niche for developer to focus and polish into software that’s a pleasure to use.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by Razengan » Fri, Jul 05, 2019, 6:00 AM UTC

noisy_boy wrote: post #492

screye wrote: post #465

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With Jony Ive gone, I hope they finally move towards function over form. From what I've been reading, the push for portraying Apple as a fashion company, came directly from Ive's side.

That portrayal has been making them good money.

Because, believe it or not, many people are happy with Apple's designs.

And it's not just sales; Apple generally ranks at the top or near the top in customer satisfaction surveys as well.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by hnjim » Fri, Jul 05, 2019, 6:06 AM UTC

PunksATawnyFill wrote: post #575

zachberger wrote: post #542

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What's wrong with the large trackpad?

Yep, the large trackpad is another design blunder. The heels of your hands are resting on it much of the time, resulting in the cursor suddenly jumping off to another part of the screen while you're typing. Even dumber: Apple didn't make it work with the Pencil. WTF? Now THAT would be far more useful than the emoji bar.

Pencil does work with iPad and sidecar which is a much better experience for editing vs what would amount to a very small Wacom tablet on the trackpad (vs effectively an iPad sized Cintiq).

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by sooheon » Fri, Jul 05, 2019, 6:31 AM UTC

foldr wrote: post #501

rbanffy wrote: post #476

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Caps lock is where God wanted Control to be.

You can map it so that tapping caps lock is escape and holding it down is control.

Then you have to set a timeout, which introduces lag in your typing.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by stunt » Fri, Jul 05, 2019, 6:33 AM UTC

They really need to give a proper apologize to all customers for it.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by lifty » Fri, Jul 05, 2019, 6:57 AM UTC

megablast wrote: post #587

dkarl wrote: post #157

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> The previous mac keyboards were absolutely controversial. It took years for the previous keyboard to be 'just a keyboard', which I do acknowledge happened. I would dispute that people stopped caring about the keyboard shortcomings. They're ergonomically bad keyboards, just not bad enough to keep complaining for this many years. If all Apple cares about is what people are currently chattering about, they're missing…

> I would dispute that people stopped caring about the keyboard shortcomings. Let me guess, you have a guy feeling about this stuff?

Can you please clarify, what is a guy feeling?

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by acd10j » Fri, Jul 05, 2019, 6:57 AM UTC

RayVR wrote: post #144

Having used the 2018 MacBook Air for about 3 months now, I can say I really detest it and I would return it if that were possible. 1) the keyboard. This thing really feels like slamming your fingers into a metal slab. I think my iPad Pro keyboard is better. The MacBook Air keyboard is also very loud. For something with so little depth the sound is shocking. 2) the webcam. Total garbage. In a laptop this expensive I t…

I for one hated old Magsafe chargers a lot, It tends to burn at connection point with Macbook, among 4 old Macbook we had in our group we had to buy 6 to 7 expensive chargers due to connector issue or due to unreliable cables at work, In new Macbook Usb C connector is a big relief, and you can change usb c cable separately and don't need to buy whole charger.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by Fnoord » Fri, Jul 05, 2019, 7:24 AM UTC

ggregoire wrote: post #603

Fnoord wrote: post #116

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That is the main problem with it. * It breaks. * It makes a lot of noise. * It has almost no travel. I really dislike #2 and #3 but to their credit it is thin (which I don't care much about). You can argue about #2 and #3 being subjective which is fair enough (the same is true for it being thin). However #1 is not subjective, and doesn't occur in a "few isolated cases". It is a proven design issue. What I'd furthermo…

> * It makes a lot of noise. You don't work with people using mechanical keyboards, right?

Everyone here, including e.g. IT, uses HP membrane keyboards with not a whole lot of travel. They don't make noise. I grew up with a IBM keyboard. Only thing I remember is I loved the feeling of it because they keys were always under my finger. I don't remember how much noise it made. I guess it is different if you're the person who's typing.

Not every mechanical keyboard creates as much noise as the other one though. And it also depends on how you use the keyboard.

If I'd work from home, a MBP butterfly would make my partner insane though. It could wake up my child, even. If you make your own noise, it is might be soothing or something. If it is other people around you whilst you're trying to concentrate you are violating their ability to use their time efficiently. I'm of the opinion that we should value such as "extremely rude".