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Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by miles » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 6:01 PM UTC

gambiting wrote: post #421

iamben wrote: post #196

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I'm still using my MBA from mid 2013. It's a wonderful thing. Battery is "replace soon" but it's mostly plugged in. It's battered and bruised, but still fast enough. I've been debating a change for a while and figured at the start of the year I'd wait to see if they were going to ditch the bf keyboard if they release a new MBA. Super glad I waited, fingers crossed I get the same life out of the next one! Say what you…

I have a 2009 MacBook Pro (Core2Duo + 4GB of ram), I've added an SSD years ago, and it runs absolutely fine, I use it almost daily to browse the web. Even the battery still works(only for about an hour, but it does).

> I have a 2009 MacBook Pro (Core2Duo + 4GB of ram), I've added an SSD years ago, and it runs absolutely fine, I use it almost daily to browse the web. ... the updates stopped at El Capitan unfortunately. ... I'm not that bothered.

You might want to consider running Manjaro[0] or Haiku[1] instead (I've had great luck with both on older MacBooks [2,3]).

Nessus reports El Capitan as a "Critical" vulnerability due to lack of security updates:

According to its self-reported version number, the Unix operating system running on the remote host is no longer supported.

Lack of support implies that no new security patches for the product will be released by the vendor. As a result, it is likely to contain security vulnerabilities.

...

Mac OS X 10.11.6 (intel) support ended.

Upgrade to Mac OS X 10.14 / 10.13 / 10.12.

[0] https://manjaro.org

[1] https://www.haiku-os.org

[2] https://tinyapps.org/blog/201811010700_linux_for_2009_macboo...

[3] https://tinyapps.org/docs/haiku/

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by ksec » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 6:02 PM UTC

sroussey wrote: post #411

dewey wrote: post #19

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The problem that most people have is not with how it feels, it's how unreliable it is with buttons failing or missing keystrokes. Sometimes only caused by a spec of dust. Getting used to the feeling of the flatter keyboard isn't really an issue for most people.

No, most people have no issues. There is not a 51% failure rate. Being in a group does not a majority make.

According to Twitter Poll by 50 different Web SaaS companies, All of them had MacBook Pro Keyboard failure in their team and have been working around them.

If you are telling me even a 5% keyboard failure rate within the first 2 year of purchase is an acceptable number that we can simply stop further discussion and say we agree to disagree.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by __full_pint » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 6:04 PM UTC

subinsebastien wrote: post #460

FabHK wrote: post #156

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> I have the first MacBook Pro that came with the Touch Bar, and it's the worst computer I've ever owned. Same here (well, I have the "cheap" one without the Touch Bar). Everything has been replaced at least once (on Apple Care, fortunately) except the bottom plate. > The only reason I got it is because the MacBook Air it replaced was dying Same here. That MBA was a fine machine.

I have the 13" late 2013 Macbook Pro i7, 8GB. It is working perfectly fine, and as fast as it was on day one. Never replaced a single thing, and never had to do hard-drive wipe. The only problem I have is that, it is a 512GB SSD, and I have no free space left.

I have the same model, except the even smaller SSD. I’m always having to clear out packages for old projects, but the computer is still a stud.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by unicornfinder » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 6:09 PM UTC

nwienert wrote: post #443

snazz wrote: post #299

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They're infinitely more customizable, by not being (as) mass-produced, for one. I prefer keyswitches that have a lower weight and more travel than membrane switches, but if you legitimately prefer low-travel switches, those certainly exist in the mechanical realm too. The RSI point is significantly more controversial. Practically any type of laptop keyboard or non-split desktop keyboard puts your arms and wrists at u…

I'll just throw in one more anecdote, but I've never felt any pain whatsoever and used laptop keyboards my whole life (30 now), whereas whenever I've tried mechanical, and I've tried at least 5 now, I always revert within a few days due to discomfort/soreness. Even with a large wrist rest your hands are doing so much more work moving around. I just don't find the idea that split keyboards are more "natural" to be tru…

I'm surprised you say this. I was having issues with wrist pain at work from typing so bought myself a keyboard with cherry mx browns - has done wonders for me.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by rbanffy » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 6:09 PM UTC

Perceptes wrote: post #71

I desperately hope this is true. I have the first MacBook Pro that came with the Touch Bar, and it's the worst computer I've ever owned. The keyboard has failed twice, and the Touch Bar is inferior to the old hardware keys in every way. I hate it. The only reason I got it is because the MacBook Air it replaced was dying and I couldn't wait any more. Assuming this report is true, my only remaining worry is that they w…

Now, if we could get a durable keyboard and two keys at the touchbar row, esc to the left and power/fingerprint to the right and a nice touchbar in the middle with haptic feedback, that would be perfect.

I don't use function keys much, and I need to confess the emoji keyboard is pretty neat.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by rbanffy » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 6:10 PM UTC

alashow wrote: post #452

jonplackett wrote: post #445

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Guaranteed anyone who doesn’t mind just doesn’t need to use escape very much. The problem with touchbar is it’s hard to use without looking at it - like most professionals do because it’s just muscle memory. Give me a real escape and I won’t mind the rest being a touch Bar. But I hope they make it like gaming keyboards that have real keys with tiny lcd displays on so you can customise the function but still have a re…

You can map your Caps Lock key to Esc.

Caps lock is where God wanted Control to be.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by jkestner » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 6:17 PM UTC

esmi wrote: post #326

bayindirh wrote: post #119

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Taptic Engine is a very good click emulator. The touchpad of newer MacBooks and tactile feedbacks of newer iPhones are just amazing. On the other side, nothing can emulate a good (even membrane) keyboard, because typing's most important sensory feedback is not touch or sound, but finger travel. I'm a programmer and use a variety of keyboards. I have an 2014 MacBook Pro, a lowish end membrane keyboard at office and a…

Although I agree with you I wonder if it’s just an artifact of how we were trained to type. When I see kids type on glass they don’t seem to require this tactile feedback. In 5-10 years, basically when today’s 10 year olds are of working age, I wonder what we will see. But I do understand we need good keyboards today. Here is a small study that looked at it in kids: http://www.bradycline.com/2013/03/ipad-typing/

I like the flat style of Apple scissor keyboards, but I won’t discount what could be done with a touch surface “keyboard”. Why worry about emulating the feel of a mechanical keyboard? I love swipe keyboards on phones; removing physical keys makes that frictionless on computer keyboards. (Though predictive text may not be as fun for terminal flags.) And there are probably other gains to be made if you can unlearn what you learned from Mavis Beacon.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by andrei_says_ » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 6:20 PM UTC

Perceptes wrote: post #71

I desperately hope this is true. I have the first MacBook Pro that came with the Touch Bar, and it's the worst computer I've ever owned. The keyboard has failed twice, and the Touch Bar is inferior to the old hardware keys in every way. I hate it. The only reason I got it is because the MacBook Air it replaced was dying and I couldn't wait any more. Assuming this report is true, my only remaining worry is that they w…

You could buy a 2015 MacBook Pro and upgrade to rock solid keyboard, sane-sized trackpad, MagSafe, hdmi, USB ports and an SD card port.

It’s not thin enough to slice salami but I am a vegetarian so that’s not a big deal.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by gurkendoktor » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 6:20 PM UTC

sroussey wrote: post #393

gurkendoktor wrote: post #380

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The first USB-C MacBook came out four years ago . I've just taken a look at Amazon: the top hits for keyboards are USB-A, the top hits for projectors use HDMI, the top hits for 4K screens have HDMI and DisplayPort ports. Apple's portable devices all ship with USB-A charging cables. Do USB-C thumbdrives even exist? Yes, some transitions in the past worked really well. That doesn't mean that other transitions are autom…

The top hit for laptop in a windows machine, so what? I remember being so worried about dongles and got extra. But then I found it better to just replace the cable to the printer and not have a dongle. Now they sit in a drawer unused.

> The top hit for laptop in a windows machine, so what?

It doesn't say anything about whether Windows is good or bad, but it means that no widescale transition away from Windows has happened.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by jkestner » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 6:20 PM UTC

kumoflow wrote: post #392

ghostpepper wrote: post #259

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While I am happy for you, I am also pretty surprised and would be interested in more details. A full can of beer is 355 mL, so how much beer are we talking about here? Are the keys not sticky at all?

I have a mbp 2018 (with touch bar) I dropped a full bottle of gin on it last week. The bottle literally broke over my open backpack with the mbp there. It seemed like I threw it on the distillery. After letting it fully dry, isssues are: - Couple small spots on the monitor. I think water got inside between the glass and display. They were very big (20% of the screen) and been reducing and now just 2 small spots (mayb…

80 proof alcohol is one of the better things you can spill on your computer. I spilled a glass of milk on my Titanium G4. Had to replace a bunch of components (back when you could pop out the keyboard) and it smelled bad.