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Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by irq »

tga wrote: post #538
electrichead wrote: post #493

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did exactly this a year ago but one caveat to note is that if you're using an external monitor, the video card in this one doesn't support a good resolution. I'm stuck with 1080p.

"With OS X Yosemite 10.10.3 and later, most SST 4K (3840 x 2160) displays are supported at 60Hz on these Mac computers: MacBook Air (Early 2015) and later MacBook Pro (Retina, 13-inch, Early 2015) and later MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Mid 2014) and later" https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT206587 Earlier years will only do 30Hz, which is fully usable for development/office work.

Anecdote: I find 30 Hz to be totally unusable for development/office work. The jerky movement of the mouse cursor, jerky scrolling, etc, is all painful to my eyes. So, I think very much, YMMV, but 60 Hz is safe.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by zachberger »

andrei_says_ wrote: post #478
Perceptes wrote: post #71

I desperately hope this is true. I have the first MacBook Pro that came with the Touch Bar, and it's the worst computer I've ever owned. The keyboard has failed twice, and the Touch Bar is inferior to the old hardware keys in every way. I hate it. The only reason I got it is because the MacBook Air it replaced was dying and I couldn't wait any more. Assuming this report is true, my only remaining worry is that they w…

You could buy a 2015 MacBook Pro and upgrade to rock solid keyboard, sane-sized trackpad, MagSafe, hdmi, USB ports and an SD card port. It’s not thin enough to slice salami but I am a vegetarian so that’s not a big deal.

What's wrong with the large trackpad?

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by jordanthoms »

notvplez wrote: post #524
jordanthoms wrote: post #510

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4k60hz is also possible over displayport, on my Late 2013 mbp I need to use switchresx to get it going (but I've found that pretty set-and-forget), but on the newer ones than that it works without any hacks AFAIK

Could you share some details about how you do this? Do you need displayport on both ends, and is it a monitor or TV? I have the same machine and a 4K TV with only HDMI-inputs and am curious if I can achieve this is in some way. Switchresx looks really useful anyway, so thank you for that. :)

If you have a Displayport display, you can use a displayport to mini displayport cable, use switchresx, should work good.

If it's HDMI only, as the sibling pointed out the HDMI port won't work. However, Startech makes a displayport to HDMI adapter which works ( https://www.amazon.com/DisplayPort-HDMI-Adapter-Converter-60... ) (just make sure you get one which supports 4k60hz, most DP -> HDMI adapters don't).

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by adt2bt »

rando4321 wrote: post #319
lajawfe wrote: post #232

I can't stop but speculate if departure of Ive had anything to do with this. I guess there was a lot of push-back internally about this, but because of Ive, they had to endure 4 generations of butterfly switches. Touchbar also is just a resource hog for nothing extraordinarily useful. I haven't seen people use it too often. I bet they did user studies and found out that the Touchbar wasn't the new interaction method…

It's seemed wildly obvious to me that Ive, whatever good work he did under Jobs, did horrible work without Jobs to constrain him. I hope that Apple returns to making quality hardware without Ive present.

Outside of the keyboard fiasco what else has Apple designed that’s so bad?

I quite like Face ID, the latest gen iPad Pro, and even the new Mac mini, and Mac Pro.

Sure the keyboards were bad, but like it or not Apple has a pretty obvious goal to get MacBooks as thin and light as possible. At some point they needed a switch from the existing keyboard design to make it thinner.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by CountSessine »

DocTomoe wrote: post #217
isostatic wrote: post #45

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Which thinkpads? From 2003? From 2010? From today?

They will take my T520 from my cold, dead hands. That was the last one that came with an actually useful keyboard... ... and thanks to Linux, it runs like on the first day.

I have a T520 at home as my linux box. At work I use a 2015 MacBook Pro.

I don't know.

I don't find the T520's keyboard to be any better than the MBP's. The differences in key placement are much more noticeable than any difference in key shape, travel, or response.

Am I missing something?

... and thanks to Linux, it runs like on the first day.

The integrated Intel GPU in my T520 is stuck on XDDM and never got an updated WDDM driver. So it can't run a modern version of Windows anyways.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by fallensatan »

zachberger wrote: post #542
andrei_says_ wrote: post #478

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could buy a 2015 MacBook Pro and upgrade to rock solid keyboard, sane-sized trackpad, MagSafe, hdmi, USB ports and an SD card port. It’s not thin enough to slice salami but I am a vegetarian so that’s not a big deal.

What's wrong with the large trackpad?

Not OP but my problem with larger trackpad was unwanted mouse movements. Maybe it was the way I rest my palms while typing but I never had this issue with previous mbp models.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by shrimpx »

electrichead wrote: post #493
andrei_says_ wrote: post #478

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could buy a 2015 MacBook Pro and upgrade to rock solid keyboard, sane-sized trackpad, MagSafe, hdmi, USB ports and an SD card port. It’s not thin enough to slice salami but I am a vegetarian so that’s not a big deal.

I did exactly this a year ago but one caveat to note is that if you're using an external monitor, the video card in this one doesn't support a good resolution. I'm stuck with 1080p.

I have a 13" 2015 MacBook Pro and it drives a 4k monitor at 60hz over displayport.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by jen729w »

TheCoreh wrote: post #520
dmos62 wrote: post #515

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1080p is not fine enough? How much information are you used to having on screen at a time? How much text, for example?

It's not about real estate, but rather about sharpness. At 3820x2160 ("4K") you can double every pixel, when compared to 1080p. That means that text at the exact same "size" is twice as sharp, producing less visual strain and improving readability (especially for fonts with complex strokes) The difference is absolutely striking: I will never go back to a non "retina" display if given the choice.

It’s also real estate. I have the LG 5K 27” monitor—which I like, by the way, I don’t know why people give it crap—and routinely wish it was just a touch larger.

My screen is filled with Excel and some sort of online database, usually. I’m also using my 13” MBP screen below this one for chat windows, email etc.

I would hate to go back to the lo-res 1080 days.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by bcheung »

Apple has a history of really bad design ideas in my opinion.

Anyone remember the older Mac towers. Whose bright idea was it to stick razor sharp edges on the handles to pick up a 30 lbs box?

Or requiring people to use a metal file on their MBP so they aren't resting their wrists on a razor sharp edge.

Several years later, it is still a pain having to use dongles to plug in USB devices.

Now give us back the escape key too.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by gurkendoktor »

alanfranz wrote: post #535
electrichead wrote: post #493

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I did exactly this a year ago but one caveat to note is that if you're using an external monitor, the video card in this one doesn't support a good resolution. I'm stuck with 1080p.

I have got the 2015 15" model with Radeon R9 M370X and it supports 4k@60Hz over DP.

It even supports 5K if you can find one of the dual-DisplayPort screens. (I'm not sure if there's an adapter for the TB3 screens.)
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