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Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by pier25 »

tomp wrote: post #398
Perceptes wrote: post #71

I desperately hope this is true. I have the first MacBook Pro that came with the Touch Bar, and it's the worst computer I've ever owned. The keyboard has failed twice, and the Touch Bar is inferior to the old hardware keys in every way. I hate it. The only reason I got it is because the MacBook Air it replaced was dying and I couldn't wait any more. Assuming this report is true, my only remaining worry is that they w…

What will likely happen is Apple will replace Touch Bar with keys, and add OLED / e-ink screens on those keys.

That would have made more sense than the TB. You get a dynamic input method without sacrificing usability.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by pier25 »

sroussey wrote: post #411
dewey wrote: post #19

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The problem that most people have is not with how it feels, it's how unreliable it is with buttons failing or missing keystrokes. Sometimes only caused by a spec of dust. Getting used to the feeling of the flatter keyboard isn't really an issue for most people.

No, most people have no issues. There is not a 51% failure rate. Being in a group does not a majority make.

Even a 10% failure rate would be catastrophic and much worse than previous keyboards.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by darkpuma »

zerkten wrote: post #514
darkpuma wrote: post #497

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It can be both. I know people who have it configured to be escape when it's pressed and released, but control when it's held down in combination with another key.

How do you do that? I normally use the keyboard preferences to change the capslock on my MBP to control. I'd like escape there too, but I'd like to avoid running additional software to enable it.

I'm not sure. I think on linux/X11 it's just xmodmap wizardry, any maybe on macos you need third party software, but don't take my word for it. It's not something I've really investigated since I'm personally satisfied with capslock=escape.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by notvplez »

jordanthoms wrote: post #510
Ductapemaster wrote: post #507

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I have a 2015 and a 4K monitor and can confirm that this is the case. 30fps isn't great but it is usable for most day-to-day computer work. However there is a workaround if you are willing to disable SIP and play around with a program called SwitchResX. You can customize the display timings in such a way that allows 4K60 video to just sneak in under the bandwidth limits of the Thunderbolt ports. It also requires a Th…

4k60hz is also possible over displayport, on my Late 2013 mbp I need to use switchresx to get it going (but I've found that pretty set-and-forget), but on the newer ones than that it works without any hacks AFAIK

Could you share some details about how you do this? Do you need displayport on both ends, and is it a monitor or TV? I have the same machine and a 4K TV with only HDMI-inputs and am curious if I can achieve this is in some way. Switchresx looks really useful anyway, so thank you for that. :)

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by fitzroy »

briandear wrote: post #431
dmix wrote: post #341

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If Apple gets rid of the TouchBar + fixes the keyboard that'd eliminate 90% of the complaints against Macbook Pros.

The Touchbar is a source of many complaints? Or just a small slice of people who complain loudly? Anecdotally, I have many relatives with touchbar MacBook Pros and they haven’t complained about it. Is it possible that many people actually like the touchbar but they don’t spend their time on specialized forums singing its praises? It just seems like the assumption that people hate the touchbar is selection bias. Aside…

Would it be that hard to just have both a Touch Bar and a row of keys? At this point the Touch Bar component can’t add that much in terms of manufacturing cost. An entire A10 iPod Touch is only $199.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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ljm wrote: post #485
tomp wrote: post #398

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What will likely happen is Apple will replace Touch Bar with keys, and add OLED / e-ink screens on those keys.

I imagined they’d expand it with more functionality, but I don’t think it’s getting any update in the new models? At the minute it doesn’t do much except replace your function keys with a display. If it could render the dock or maybe take over some of notification centre, it might have some novel functionality. What I’ve been trying to do so far is see if I can integrate it with emacs through a dynamic module, so it…

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Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by t34543 »

gambiting wrote: post #456
t34543 wrote: post #451

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Can you still get OS updates? I thought mid-2010+ was needed.

No, the updates stopped at El Capitan unfortunately. There is a way to force it to update to Mojave but I think couple hardware bits stop working(....camera?) and I'm not that bothered.

Staying at latest patch levels are more about security vs features.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by robdachshund »

rayiner wrote: post #488
andrei_says_ wrote: post #478

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You could buy a 2015 MacBook Pro and upgrade to rock solid keyboard, sane-sized trackpad, MagSafe, hdmi, USB ports and an SD card port. It’s not thin enough to slice salami but I am a vegetarian so that’s not a big deal.

But the bulblet and bought a used 2013 15” MBP after a year in Lenovo exile. Cost me $600 for a six year old computer, but it feels great.

Man you guys really have Stockholm syndrome.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by chjdev »

Ductapemaster wrote: post #507
vishwajeetv wrote: post #502

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I think it supports 4K but not at 60 fps. You are stuck at 30 fps.

I have a 2015 and a 4K monitor and can confirm that this is the case. 30fps isn't great but it is usable for most day-to-day computer work. However there is a workaround if you are willing to disable SIP and play around with a program called SwitchResX. You can customize the display timings in such a way that allows 4K60 video to just sneak in under the bandwidth limits of the Thunderbolt ports. It also requires a Th…

also got a 2015 and 4k @60hz is possible plug and play with a thunderbolt to displayport cable. anything other than default scaling gets a bit choppy though

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by robdachshund »

Razengan wrote: post #89
robertAngst wrote: post #78

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> MacBooks are the best laptops in many respects I've never heard this before. I thought some people needed their proprietary software that could only be run on Apple products, and that is what forces someone to buy a Macbook. What are they best in class for? EDIT: Thank you for the serious responses

> What are they best in class for? The overall experience.

Yeah forking over an extra grand to buy a poorly built computer that looks pretty to use a god awful OS on mediocre hardware... what a great experience.

It doesn't sound like any of you have used a windows laptop in decades.

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