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Firefox 4 Beta 8 has been released

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Re: Firefox 4 Beta 8 has been released

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Post by Garbage »

ezy wrote: post #27
code_duck wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay, so it sounds like you misunderstand the process of software development. You can't completely rewrite various subsystems for performance and fix bugs at the same time. There is more going on than just 'adding new features'. New software is bound to be unstable while it is in development. If you have a problem with this, do not download beta versions. Personally, I haven't had any issues at all with stability or…

(Since I don't particularly care about my karma at the moment, I guess I'll continue beating this dead horse :-)) And here's my snarky rejoinder: Hey look! There are bug fixes and new features in the latest beta. How did they do that? Perhaps they misunderstand the software development process! What you have described is some ideal model of the development process based on something you think should happen. It doesn'…

Excuse me, are you using IE6 ?

Re: Firefox 4 Beta 8 has been released

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Post by code_duck »

freyrs3 wrote: post #16

The beta does not play well with XMonad, seems to have quite a few focus issues.

Unfortunately I've had that problem with a lot of cross-platform software on Linux lately. Chrome, for instance, doesn't seem to be made with the idea in mind that people might use window managers other than Gnome, or might have settings other than the default chosen for certain behaviors. For instance, double clicking the title bar maximizes the Chrome window - though I have that set to a shade action. There are a few other issues, too, so it's not surprising to me that there are problems with a WM they've probably never tested such as xmonad.

Re: Firefox 4 Beta 8 has been released

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Post by rue »

danielrm26 wrote: post #39

I don't mean to be "that guy", but how is anyone seriously enthused about Firefox anymore when Chrome is on the scene? I love and respect Firefox for showing the world there was a better way. But they are the Freud to a much more mature approach at this point. I can't use Firefox without wanting to injure myself within five minutes. It is dead to me.

1. Extensions

2. Google

Re: Firefox 4 Beta 8 has been released

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Post by thristian »

danielrm26 wrote: post #39

I don't mean to be "that guy", but how is anyone seriously enthused about Firefox anymore when Chrome is on the scene? I love and respect Firefox for showing the world there was a better way. But they are the Freud to a much more mature approach at this point. I can't use Firefox without wanting to injure myself within five minutes. It is dead to me.

I've been using Firefox as my daily browser since version 0.6 or so, and the Mozilla suite before that, so I know where everything is and I'm comfortable with how Gecko renders things. Of all the browsers I've tried on Linux, Firefox is the second-best integrated into the rest of my desktop (the best is Epiphany because it uses native widgets, but it's too minimalist for my liking). Firefox respects my font and antialiasing settings. Firefox 4 has "tab panorama" mode, which knocks Chrome's limited tab-handling into a cocked hat.

Oh, and something about extensions, too.

Re: Firefox 4 Beta 8 has been released

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Post by thristian »

Encosia wrote: post #36
rdoherty wrote: post #2

Even more impressive is their HTML5, WebGL, audio and video demo linked to in the post: http://videos-cdn.mozilla.net/serv/mozhacks/flight-of-the-na...

My machine (with 102 other processes currently running) didn't break 17.5% CPU usage during the entire demo and my GPU fan never spun up. Not bad.

What OS and graphics card are you using?

I pegged my CPU and got about three frames per second in both Chrome and Firefox, but that's on Linux with Intel graphics; about the bottom of the heap as far as 3D acceleration goes.

Re: Firefox 4 Beta 8 has been released

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Post by viraptor »

danielrm26 wrote: post #39

I don't mean to be "that guy", but how is anyone seriously enthused about Firefox anymore when Chrome is on the scene? I love and respect Firefox for showing the world there was a better way. But they are the Freud to a much more mature approach at this point. I can't use Firefox without wanting to injure myself within five minutes. It is dead to me.

Apart from all the privacy and UI stuff mentioned before. FF works. FF4 works even better. The question is not "why am I staying with FF", it's "why should I switch to something different"?

It's not the IE "why should I switch" situation - FF supports basically every page and any popular HTML/CSS extension out there. I've got my extensions and configuration in place. Why should I bother?

Re: Firefox 4 Beta 8 has been released

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Post by thristian »

code_duck wrote: post #42
freyrs3 wrote: post #16

The beta does not play well with XMonad, seems to have quite a few focus issues.

Unfortunately I've had that problem with a lot of cross-platform software on Linux lately. Chrome, for instance, doesn't seem to be made with the idea in mind that people might use window managers other than Gnome, or might have settings other than the default chosen for certain behaviors. For instance, double clicking the title bar maximizes the Chrome window - though I have that set to a shade action. There are a f…

That sounds like fun with Chrome's window-manager emulation. It behaves a lot more respectably when you go Settings → Personal Stuff → Appearance and choose "Use system title bar and borders".

Re: Firefox 4 Beta 8 has been released

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Post by dennylin93 »

sid0 wrote: post #40
danielrm26 wrote: post #39

I don't mean to be "that guy", but how is anyone seriously enthused about Firefox anymore when Chrome is on the scene? I love and respect Firefox for showing the world there was a better way. But they are the Freud to a much more mature approach at this point. I can't use Firefox without wanting to injure myself within five minutes. It is dead to me.

Chrome is a closed-source browser with a rigid failure of a UI and a sync feature that hands over all my bookmarks and history to Google. I can't even move the buttons around -- what a joke. How any privacy-conscious person can use Chrome is beyond me.

Actually Chrome is built on top of Chromium, a BSD licensed browser. Try out Chromium if you're concerned about privacy.

Re: Firefox 4 Beta 8 has been released

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Post by blntechie »

danielrm26 wrote: post #39

I don't mean to be "that guy", but how is anyone seriously enthused about Firefox anymore when Chrome is on the scene? I love and respect Firefox for showing the world there was a better way. But they are the Freud to a much more mature approach at this point. I can't use Firefox without wanting to injure myself within five minutes. It is dead to me.

See my reasons here. Tell me a solid reason "Why I should switch to Chrome?"

1) It's as modern as Chrome and renders web pages as well as or better than Chrome.

2) Chrome(Google) forces on me an UI I don't like. Firefox is extremely customizable and I can customize it to the last bit with extensions and little tweaking around.

3) Moreover as I have said before elsewhere FF + Sync + TMP + Adblock is unbeatable for me even though Chrome has equivalents.

4) Chrome (not Portable) installs itself into Users folders in Windows which I seriously dislike. Also take up huge space for storing it's Cache.

5) And I have some personal preferences which I miss in Chrome. (Selecting a text in Chrome does not snip the selection at the end of the line, it apply to the whole frame. Handling unresponsive web pages is better in Firefox for me etc...)

Guess I have given enough reasons why i have not switched to Chrome.

Re: Firefox 4 Beta 8 has been released

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Post by Encosia »

thristian wrote: post #45
Encosia wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My machine (with 102 other processes currently running) didn't break 17.5% CPU usage during the entire demo and my GPU fan never spun up. Not bad.

What OS and graphics card are you using? I pegged my CPU and got about three frames per second in both Chrome and Firefox, but that's on Linux with Intel graphics; about the bottom of the heap as far as 3D acceleration goes.

Win7 and a GTX 275.
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