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Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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Post by Someone1234 »

reacweb wrote: post #64
oxfordmale wrote: post #51

On Azure, a Windows VM instance tends to cost about 50% more than the equivalent instance running Linux,so it is a no brainer to use Linux if your application is operation system independent.

If I encounter an issue on Linux (that I can reproduce), I can investigate it to its root (sometimes in the kernel driver) and fix it (or find someone who has fixed it). On windows, I have only seen issues fixed either by reinstalling applications (mostly randomly) and praying or by using annoying work arounds. IMHO, the cost is higher in Windows.

This is a roundabout way of saying: "I know more about Linux's internals than Windows'." Essentially you're a power user of Linux and a consumer of Windows. I'm not sure that's Windows' fault.

Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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Post by whatshisface »

Someone1234 wrote: post #139
whatshisface wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't care about the OSS vs Proprietary argument at all. I care about my productivity and job satisfaction. That's kind of like saying, "I don't care about voting, I just want politicians to represent me."

Arguing on the internet isn't analogous to voting. Voting accomplishes things, arguing about OSS Vs Proprietary just wastes time.

It matters when you're involved in purchasing decisions and also when you're deciding whether or not to contribute to a project.

Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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Post by emergie »

h1d wrote: post #106
butteroverflow wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have these old Windows admins now learning to work with Linux. What drives me insane is their habit of randomly rebooting machines if something isn't working right. There is a problem with a Linux box, they ask you to take a look at it, you SSH in, type "uptime"... bam, it's two and a half minutes. A lot of precious diagnostic information has been lost.

alias reboot='echo "This is not Windows!"' Real Linux admins know how to invoke the real 'reboot' command.

init 6

Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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Post by [deleted] »

lugg wrote: post #111
ohthehugemanate wrote: post #96

Every few months we get another post like this, with a slightly different measure. Yes, lots of Azure workloads run Linux, and Microsoft makes it a priority. It's not news anymore. At the same time, Azure itself runs largely on Windows servers in Service Fabric ( https://github.com/Microsoft/service-fabric ), so it's hard to count. With nested hypervisors as the normal architecture nowadays, this whole tally is prett…

> Did you know that Microsoft built and open sourced an orchestrator that can manage tens if millions of nodes with totally diverse workloads (containers, VMs, and bare metal), nested hypervisors, and even nested orchestrators in a secure multi tenant context? No, and I don't really care. Is there something wrong with that? Am I limiting myself by ruling them out from the get go based on past behaviour? After a decad…

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Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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Post by kerng »

ratiolat wrote: post #126
issati wrote: post #114

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AD isn't just for Windows, which would be weird since it is mostly a fancy key value store (with associated functions and services of course). SSSD for example can use AD. The problem is that Linux itself doesn't support the same functionality client side, which using a configuration manager doesn't really solve. And question wasn't if you have used AD, but if you have managed Linux desktop deployments without it. Si…

I'm in the process of bulding a solution for managing all three OS'es. AD is not on the table because theres nothing to do with kerberos in our network and AD would be a "windows only" solution.

Why is AD a Windows only solution? Large corporations and startups use it to run tens of thousands of Macs and Linux machines in addition to Windows. In fact, I can't think of a single large company that does not use it. Its basically the core for many.

Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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Post by hangonhn »

Someone1234 wrote: post #141
reacweb wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I encounter an issue on Linux (that I can reproduce), I can investigate it to its root (sometimes in the kernel driver) and fix it (or find someone who has fixed it). On windows, I have only seen issues fixed either by reinstalling applications (mostly randomly) and praying or by using annoying work arounds. IMHO, the cost is higher in Windows.

This is a roundabout way of saying: "I know more about Linux's internals than Windows'." Essentially you're a power user of Linux and a consumer of Windows. I'm not sure that's Windows' fault.

That's not entirely true...

Given Linux's history as OSS, it has historically been easier to be familiar with the inner workings of Linux than Windows simply by having access to the code. Other than reading System Internals, becoming MCSE certified, etc. it was really hard to know much about Windows. I'm not saying every Linux user has read the source but being built on top of OSS does allow the user to dig deeper if one wanted to. I say this as someone who started out his career in Windows and Microsoft and then later went to Linux (because I went from corporate to startup). It's much easier to pinpoint a problem with OSS and Linux, especially in situation when the documentation is lacking. It took me a lot less time to have a decent knowledge of Linux and OSS systems than it was for me to know the equivalent on Windows and Microsoft.

This effect gets compounded when you consider an entire ecosystem.

Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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Post by jandrese »

Someone1234 wrote: post #141
reacweb wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I encounter an issue on Linux (that I can reproduce), I can investigate it to its root (sometimes in the kernel driver) and fix it (or find someone who has fixed it). On windows, I have only seen issues fixed either by reinstalling applications (mostly randomly) and praying or by using annoying work arounds. IMHO, the cost is higher in Windows.

This is a roundabout way of saying: "I know more about Linux's internals than Windows'." Essentially you're a power user of Linux and a consumer of Windows. I'm not sure that's Windows' fault.

Yeah, I mean why doesn't everybody dig through the kernel sources on Windows when they encounter a bug like that?

The vast majority of Linux users will never poke around the source to the Kernel ferreting out a bug, but they do have the option. On Windows it's much harder to get access without being a Microsoft employee.

Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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Post by jandrese »

h1d wrote: post #106
butteroverflow wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have these old Windows admins now learning to work with Linux. What drives me insane is their habit of randomly rebooting machines if something isn't working right. There is a problem with a Linux box, they ask you to take a look at it, you SSH in, type "uptime"... bam, it's two and a half minutes. A lot of precious diagnostic information has been lost.

alias reboot='echo "This is not Windows!"' Real Linux admins know how to invoke the real 'reboot' command.

Oh please, they started Gnome and used the shutdown command from the menu.

Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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Post by oldmanhorton »

shaklee3 wrote: post #124
ohthehugemanate wrote: post #96

Every few months we get another post like this, with a slightly different measure. Yes, lots of Azure workloads run Linux, and Microsoft makes it a priority. It's not news anymore. At the same time, Azure itself runs largely on Windows servers in Service Fabric ( https://github.com/Microsoft/service-fabric ), so it's hard to count. With nested hypervisors as the normal architecture nowadays, this whole tally is prett…

Which orchestrator are you referring to? System Center in no way competes with kubernetes since it's lacking 90% of the features. Maybe I'm bad at googling, but I can't find what you're referring to. Edit: I see the one you're referring to in that link, but again, it's not at all a comparison with kubernetes. It's easy at face value to say this one is better, but it's missing the point of kubernetes, which is extensi…

RE your edit, Service Fabric came out well before any standards existed.
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