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Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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Every few months we get another post like this, with a slightly different measure. Yes, lots of Azure workloads run Linux, and Microsoft makes it a priority. It's not news anymore. At the same time, Azure itself runs largely on Windows servers in Service Fabric ( https://github.com/Microsoft/service-fabric ), so it's hard to count. With nested hypervisors as the normal architecture nowadays, this whole tally is prett…

> Did you know that Microsoft built and open sourced an orchestrator that can manage tens if millions of nodes with totally diverse workloads (containers, VMs, and bare metal), nested hypervisors, and even nested orchestrators in a secure multi tenant context?

No, and I don't really care. Is there something wrong with that?

Am I limiting myself by ruling them out from the get go based on past behaviour?

After a decade of out right ignorance of windows services what would it take for me to catch up in order to even begin to unpack and then finally even begin to leverage what you just mentioned?

Is it even worth the time for me to try and grok it?

Am I laughing that azure runs more Linux than windows? No. I assumed that was the case years ago because you're an idiot if you're still stucking on that windows teet after all they've done. And I don't care that you think Im a close minded idiot for speaking that truth.

Why? Because not a single employer that matters to me thinks your knowledge of windows crapware is a competitive advantage in the environments most real tech operates in.

Call me when Google starts running search off of windows boxes.

Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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I wish MS would just create a Linux or BSD distro like Amazon Linux, ClearLinux, Darwin etc. to replace Windows Server outright...

They could probably partner with Red Hat. I would've laughed at the idea 10 years ago, but these days, I wouldn't be that surprised. When they've had OS-ish integrations needed for things like machine-based authentication, RHEL has been treated like a first class citizen. I'm not sure how much Amazon Linux really changes other than branding and some baked-in tuning - unless you're really going to commit to maintainin…

Azure and RH are partners already, at least regarding OpenShift. With RHs push of RHEL Atomic and the purchase of CoreOS you also get minimal images of linux there. Another noteworthy thing are the Universal Base Images (UBI) by RedHat.

Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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I don't see a Linux version of Exchange or Active Directory yet. For internal email, it's pretty much Exchange or GTFO.

OpenLDAP, Postfix/Dovecot?

And all the other stuff?

Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

#114
post #60

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Have you ever actually done that - managed a large fleet of desktops and a productivity suite, all on Linux with no active directory? Complete with whatever the Kerberos equivalent of a backup DC is?

The problem with AD is that it is for windows only. It does not fly for managing Mac and Linux desktops. So that gives us salt for example, which has clients for all three. The second problem with ad is that if you need to manage any complex settings, you'll need to write your own templates. The included group policies are only for basic level os management + some for basic level Microsoft office managment stuff. Any…

AD isn't just for Windows, which would be weird since it is mostly a fancy key value store (with associated functions and services of course). SSSD for example can use AD. The problem is that Linux itself doesn't support the same functionality client side, which using a configuration manager doesn't really solve. And question wasn't if you have used AD, but if you have managed Linux desktop deployments without it. Since your claim is that it is better.

Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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post #106

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We have these old Windows admins now learning to work with Linux. What drives me insane is their habit of randomly rebooting machines if something isn't working right. There is a problem with a Linux box, they ask you to take a look at it, you SSH in, type "uptime"... bam, it's two and a half minutes. A lot of precious diagnostic information has been lost.

alias reboot='echo "This is not Windows!"' Real Linux admins know how to invoke the real 'reboot' command.

Make sure to set SSH to log in directory to vim. Unlike Real Linux admins know how to quit vim so it will be no issue for them.

Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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post #87

Microsoft should do an Apple and build the Windows 13 on GNU/Linux.

Windows’ driver ecosystem is important to Windows’ market success - switching out the kernel (and so, the driver interfaces) would throw that all away.

Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

#117

Every few months we get another post like this, with a slightly different measure. Yes, lots of Azure workloads run Linux, and Microsoft makes it a priority. It's not news anymore. At the same time, Azure itself runs largely on Windows servers in Service Fabric ( https://github.com/Microsoft/service-fabric ), so it's hard to count. With nested hypervisors as the normal architecture nowadays, this whole tally is prett…

>But we (the tech community) never seem to get bored with the "Microsoft is eating humble pie on OSS" story. Maybe that's exactly what Microsoft deserves after so many years of big-bad-wolf behavior. And Microsoft absolutely relishes it. The tech community provides priceless support for Microsoft's key marketing message, which is that Azure runs everything and you don't have to go to AWS for first class Linux hosting…

And the next generation at Microsoft doesn’t even think this is humble pie - we think Linux (and open source in general) is the most delicious (and profitable!) pie we could possibly imagine.

Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

#118
post #6

I wish MS would just create a Linux or BSD distro like Amazon Linux, ClearLinux, Darwin etc. to replace Windows Server outright...

What would be the point of a new linux distribution called windows server if none of your windows admin tools, scripts or binaries can run on it?

Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

alias reboot='echo "This is not Windows!"' Real Linux admins know how to invoke the real 'reboot' command.

Make sure to set SSH to log in directory to vim. Unlike Real Linux admins know how to quit vim so it will be no issue for them.

Wouldn't their login session end after quitting vim?

Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

#120

Every few months we get another post like this, with a slightly different measure. Yes, lots of Azure workloads run Linux, and Microsoft makes it a priority. It's not news anymore. At the same time, Azure itself runs largely on Windows servers in Service Fabric ( https://github.com/Microsoft/service-fabric ), so it's hard to count. With nested hypervisors as the normal architecture nowadays, this whole tally is prett…

>But we (the tech community) never seem to get bored with the "Microsoft is eating humble pie on OSS" story. Maybe that's exactly what Microsoft deserves after so many years of big-bad-wolf behavior. And Microsoft absolutely relishes it. The tech community provides priceless support for Microsoft's key marketing message, which is that Azure runs everything and you don't have to go to AWS for first class Linux hosting…

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