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Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by simonh »

CydeWeys wrote: post #359
dpkonofa wrote: post #317

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I don't know that I agree with that considering the S10+ has what amounts to a hole in the top right corner. The notch isn't great but I actually think I prefer seeing those 2 options side by side.

I prefer the hole, for two reasons: A lot less total space of the display is missing, and the part that is missing is one side rather than the middle, so you still have room for a mostly full width uninterrupted status bar.

And if you have no interest in Face ID that's reasonable preference.

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Post by spiderfarmer »

maxxxxx wrote: post #137
jkw wrote: post #93

He’s making more money at Apple than he will leading his own design agency. This makes me think that he no longer finds his work compelling at Apple. Or Apple decided it’s time for a new leader, but wants things to have a soft landing.

I think he has been independently wealthy for a very long time. Money is probably not the issue.

Yeah you have to be unhealthily greedy if money is still a big motivator at that level.

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Post by mikorym »

I don't know the details of how this would work, but I can see rationale in general of compartmentalising and furthermore making each compartment self sufficient.

It can easily happen that a department in a company becomes unprofitable or complacent in the absence of direct market forces.

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Post by mrexroad »

sytelus wrote: post #283
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I don't like that phrase, "tyranny of design". It implies design is just one side of a product. But design is everything . It is both form and function. A product that has great visual design is still a failure if the functional design is bad. A great designer is holistic and will be able to bring form and function into harmony.. While I don't have the inside scoop on how Jonathan Ive works, my impression is that he'…

The iPhone has one of the most slippery surfaces of almost all objects I own. It looks great in photos and ad videos but completely incompatible to the goal of safely holding it in the human hand. Things have became so bad with iPhone XS that I have never seen anyone using it without some ugly sleeve. If anyone has dared not using case/sleeve, they would experience heart wrenching drop out of hand within their first…

For most part, I haven’t had a case on my XS since launch. Love the feel. Have yet to drop it. I do put a case on it when I’m doing things like camping or taking photos at amusement parks.

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Post by Fnoord »

bartread wrote: post #441
tzs wrote: post #383

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USB-C is baffling. Suppose you buy into the dream of one cable type for everything. So you buy printers, scanners, optical drives, external hard drives and SSDs, and so on that have USB-C connectors, and you buy USB-C flash drives, and buy USB-C to USB-C cables to hook it all up. But your computer only has two USB-C ports! No problem, you think. You've run into the same problem before with computers with USB-A connec…

> USB-C is baffling. Suppose you buy into the dream of one cable type for everything. I may be mistaken but I think that was the original USB dream as well. It's been a source of immense irritation to me at times over the years to find that I don't have quite the right mini/micro/whatever[1] USB cable to hand to connect whatever device I happen to have with me. USB-C just adds to what is already a mess of a situation…

Mini USB? I haven't seen new devices with that since like 2004. All phones moved towards Micro USB USB-A. The amount of devices I have which simply have Micro USB USB-A is staggering and almost always are the cables compatible with each other. My main issue with Micro USB is that some of the endpoints on _devices_ are badly soldered, leading to the port coming out. Such occurred on the Nokia N900. I rather have my cable getting broken than the port on the (expensive) device.

What Apple did though with MagSafe was simple yet elegant. It is something I do as well with my Micro USB and USB-C cables (making them magnetic; I'm using TOPK cables for that). USB-C as replacement for MagSafe is a step backwards.

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Post by _ph_ »

mulderc wrote: post #506
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Apples design has been a big yawner for a few years now. Apple watch and MBPr impressed me. Since then? Seems like the design had actively getting worse since 2015 I.E. MBP with touchbar. The Mac Pro and Apples new display don't look terrible to me but the cheese grater aesthetics aren't amazing either and it's a bit of a rehash of the Powermac G5. There was also that charger they cancelled. Maybe apple should consid…

I have been looking at some of the past plastic devices and actually really love the design and feel. Wonder if they should try that again.

I still have my G5 iMac in a corner and its design is just wonderful. The acrylic housing with a white interior holds up just great. It also was possible to open it with a screwdriver or even a penny.

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Post by Fnoord »

Domenic_S wrote: post #353
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>how awful it is to not have an HDMI port. Disagree wholeheartedly. I bought a USB-C to Video adapter from Amazon that has DVI, VGA, HDMI, and mDP and it only takes up one space on my MacBook and the only time I ever need to use it is when I'm presenting so I can just keep it in my laptop bag. That also means that I don't have to worry about what tech is being used at the place I'm presenting because I have all the o…

I get the appeal. At my (home) desk, I have the same (minus power), except it's Thunderbolt, which my 2014 MBP has. For a couple beautiful years I could switch monitor/headset/kb/mouse between work and home laptops with 1 simple plug. Now that the work lappy is USB C though things aren't simple anymore.

Do you have a link to the device? I'm curious about the specs.

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Post by philjohn »

CountSessine wrote: post #243
philjohn wrote: post #141

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I keep seeing this, and I've got one and disagree. I quite like the new keyboard feel, I can type damned fast on it. The touchbar implementation in IntelliJ is nice, touch ID is great to login, I travel quite a bit so having something powerful but super light is a huge boon. It's probably not for everyone, but it felt like an upgrade over the 2015 model I was using before ... and sure, they jumped the gun on USB-C bu…

YMMV I guess, but I work as a programmer at a company where all the programmers carry these around and spend their whole days in emacs or tmux+vim. There are about a hundred of us in our local office. I haven’t found anyone who doesn’t hate this thing, and it all comes down to that stupid butterfly keyboard. We’re a company of super-efficient touch typists, and the 2015 MacBook pros with their scissor switches are co…

> spend their whole days in emacs or tmux+vim

It could be argued that a MBP is the wrong tool for the job then and they would be better served with a Linux-powered laptop.

> We’re a company of super-efficient touch typists, and the 2015 MacBook pros with their scissor switches are coveted and traded.

If you want a REALLY good keyboard nothing beats the old ThinkPads before they went chiclet. Those would be even more coveted.

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Post by waterhouse »

mstade wrote: post #94
jedberg wrote: post #42

Given his penchant for thinness over function, I hope this means we can have a thicker pro laptop again, with all the ports back and a more robust keyboard.

It’d be interesting to see the results of a survey on this I think, I and I know many of my peers are of the exact opposite opinion. I like the move to usb-c, I like the new keyboard, I don’t mind (but also don’t really use) the Touch Bar but I can’t live without Touch ID at this point. The big trackpad is magical to me, and the thickness and weight of the 13” is just right. I have an older MBP as well, 2013 maybe, a…

Surveys I found:

"Is the Touch Bar a gimmick?" Among those who own it, 72% say "yes". https://9to5mac.com/2018/10/19/touch-bar-a-gimmick/

"Does the new MacBook Pro's Touch Bar improve your workflow?" 38% say "No, I only use it for function keys it replaced", 23% say "Waiting for more app/function support", 21% say "Yes, it improves my workflow", 16% say "Other". https://9to5mac.com/2017/01/24/macbook-pro-touch-bar-poll/

Twitter poll: "Just out of interest, with @marcoarment in mind, does anybody actually like the Touch Bar of the new MacBook Pro?" "With over 1,000 responses, the results were effectively 50-50." https://daringfireball.net/linked/2017/04/03/twitter-poll-to...

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