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NASA Has Been Hacked

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Re: NASA Has Been Hacked

#41
post #18

Reading the audit, this kind of confirms my base question when building infrastructure: If people don't do the right thing the business needs, why is it too hard to do? Can't we reduce the pain to do the right thing so doing the lazy / wrong thing is harder? People not doing thing tends to be an indication of boundaries and responsibilities being drawn in bad ways. Something like the log reviews are a classical thing…

> but firewall all systems to access the central registry only, and widen the firewall after an authorized registration of the system. That way, the admins just have to rack systems with a usb stick with some credentials, and it goes or it doesn't.

Someone first has to build this system, and after accounting for all of the red tape and approvals and training and new audits required and tallying up the total man-hours required to implement, your solution that is supposed to be "less hard" might actually be much harder than the previous system.

It's pretty easy to come up with a multitude of ideas to fix issues like this, but it's another thing entirely to actually implement them, especially in a big government org like NASA. Obviously their current/previous system isn't working and they need to fix it, but I think you would be surprised at how difficult it is to do something even as simple as the system you've conceptualized.

Just to give a small anecdote: I've built asset management systems, and in one case at a major F500 company, one that used USB sticks for something similar to what you're describing. Just getting the approval to purchase the USB sticks and establish a process for properly handling the USB sticks once credentials were put on them was something that, by itself, took months.

Re: NASA Has Been Hacked

#42
post #4

Wow. Try to opt out of their data tracking, an option they're required to add. "This may take up to a few minutes to process" They make you wait at this long ass loading screen while they "process" your request not to have cookies. Here's the outline for people who don't want to wait minutes to read an article. https://outline.com/TZSBv4

PIA VPN "mace" seems to be saving me from all the torture.

Re: NASA Has Been Hacked

#43
post #22

IT security people need to stop thinking in terms of disallowing “unauthorized” devices on physical (wired and WiFi) and recognize start designing for human nature. Assume that the physical networks are compromised, and have all privileged resources only accept connections over VPN. Is it perfect? No, but it makes further compromise harder. The assumption of no trust also means acknowledging that you need gate incomi…

Making every device connect over VPN is infeasible. There are, however, varying models of governing port-level access exist. dot1x, ISE, and yes, on some networks forcing VPN is doable.

Re: NASA Has Been Hacked

#44
post #18

Reading the audit, this kind of confirms my base question when building infrastructure: If people don't do the right thing the business needs, why is it too hard to do? Can't we reduce the pain to do the right thing so doing the lazy / wrong thing is harder? People not doing thing tends to be an indication of boundaries and responsibilities being drawn in bad ways. Something like the log reviews are a classical thing…

Why it's hard? That's because it's actual work, and it's going to be the first thing that's overlooked because the business side doesn't really want it until it's too late. That's not unique to security of course, resiliency and availability has always battled the same problems.

Your suggestions seem to focus a lot on box-ticking. Logs are shipped to someone else. Check! Clearance must be sought to install new machines. Check! None of these practices are strange in themselves, but they also needs to work. It doesn't really matter if you ship your logs to someone else if that someone lacks the the resources, competence, or general interest to read them. And, frankly, if your sysadmins can't be trusted to monitor logs, why would you think someone else is? Larger organization have security specialists, but that is on top of the ops specialists, no instead of.

Please don't think your suggestions are bad. They aren't, they're mostly good. But they're also exactly how these situations arise. When installation becomes bottlenecked people start taking shortcuts. Someone focuses a little bit too much on ticking boxes, while only pushing problems around as they go unsolved.

The article describes a good real world example. These people had most of the processes in place. All the inventory databases and log handling and access control were in place. It's just that they were crap implementations and nobody found themselves in a position to fix it.

Re: NASA Has Been Hacked

#45
post #24
post #4

Wow. Try to opt out of their data tracking, an option they're required to add. "This may take up to a few minutes to process" They make you wait at this long ass loading screen while they "process" your request not to have cookies. Here's the outline for people who don't want to wait minutes to read an article. https://outline.com/TZSBv4

Whenever I get a spinner after clicking "Decline", I just reload the page. Often, it works. Presumable, it sets the cookie on the page ("user accepted/rejected the cookies") before setting the cookies on partner pages...

I used to do that too, thinking there was some kind of bug. And then one day I got distracted by my toddler while rejecting and it turned out that yes, a few minutes later, the thing disappeared. So now I'm tempted to assume that if you don't wait then nothing guarantees that the partners got the message that you're not accepting their tracking. The only dark pattern in there, presumably, is that they're notifying partners serially rather than in parallel.

Re: NASA Has Been Hacked

#47
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's grounds for a GDPR complaint against TRUSTe and Forbes. Opting in or out must not be a condition for accessing content, so a popup that covers the page is problematic. Opting out should also be as simple as opting in, not a maze of options with progress spinners. File a complaint folks.

Unless they geo-block GDPR countries and call it a day

I'd be ok with this in most cases. Other companies will serve those countries, if it's still profitable to do so. If not - oh well.

Re: NASA Has Been Hacked

#48

Hopefully, this doesn't cause fear mongering around raspberry pi devices. It's not a stretch to imagine a bureaucrat reading articles like this, seeing "a raspberry pi was plugged in" , and forming a negative opinion of the device and people that use them.

Unfortunately there already is. When I interviewed for a job in Antarctica we had discussed methods of saving on bandwidth usage and I suggested the use of a PiHole to strip out ads to save precious KB and was told that the Raspberry Pi was frowned upon due to previous issues, and it would likely never happen. :(

Re: NASA Has Been Hacked

#49
post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Back in the early 90s I had a summer internship for a contractor at Goddard Space Flight Center. My job for the entire summer was to track down and inventory a list of 1000s of devices across the entire campus. At the time they were building a tracking database for all the devices on the campus. The printout I was handed on my first day had not been updated in several years. It basically contained a tracking ID, what…

I interned at Goddard in 2006 and my PI had a rogue wireless access point for his interns to use. Apparently it was a long and convoluted process to get network access for personal computers, so he didn’t even bother trying. I remember some of my fellow interns complaining about having to work offline for the first month of their 10 week internship.

Another fellow Goddard intern checking in! But mine was back before anyone worried about “working offline” vs. “working online”. We just wrote our code—without needing to browse HN and StackOverflow every 10 minutes :-) We still had plenty of other non-Internet related red tape, bureaucracy, and other forms of Work Prevention to overcome and avoid though.

Re: NASA Has Been Hacked

#50

Hopefully, this doesn't cause fear mongering around raspberry pi devices. It's not a stretch to imagine a bureaucrat reading articles like this, seeing "a raspberry pi was plugged in" , and forming a negative opinion of the device and people that use them.

Unfortunately there already is. When I interviewed for a job in Antarctica we had discussed methods of saving on bandwidth usage and I suggested the use of a PiHole to strip out ads to save precious KB and was told that the Raspberry Pi was frowned upon due to previous issues, and it would likely never happen. :(

Then just use a server that does the same thing. If the issue is the buzzword then work around the buzzword.
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