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NASA Has Been Hacked

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Re: NASA Has Been Hacked

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I usually roll my eyes at meta comments on HN about ads or tracking on web pages getting in the way, but good lord. This page first slams you with a nearly full page ad with no dismissal, and then after you read a few paragraphs hits you again with a modal sign up dialog.

The magic combination of adblockers has spared me from this fate, but not from an annoying video about the top 5 richest rappers, for some reason.

Re: NASA Has Been Hacked

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Wow. Try to opt out of their data tracking, an option they're required to add. "This may take up to a few minutes to process" They make you wait at this long ass loading screen while they "process" your request not to have cookies. Here's the outline for people who don't want to wait minutes to read an article. https://outline.com/TZSBv4

If you disable javascript you can read it easily (and much faster, and without ads).

Re: NASA Has Been Hacked

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post #4

Wow. Try to opt out of their data tracking, an option they're required to add. "This may take up to a few minutes to process" They make you wait at this long ass loading screen while they "process" your request not to have cookies. Here's the outline for people who don't want to wait minutes to read an article. https://outline.com/TZSBv4

Disable Javascript on the page, and you can read it without a problem.

Re: NASA Has Been Hacked

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I highly recommend reading the actual audit[1]. There's a lot of good details in there, similar to the Senate report on the Equifax breach a few days ago. There were several problems: the inventory tracking issue was particularly enlightening:

>system administrators did not consistently update the inventory system when they added devices to the network. Specifically, we found that 8 of 11 system administrators responsible for managing the 13 systems in our sample maintain a separate inventory spreadsheet of their systems from which they periodically update the information manually in the ITSDB. One system administrator told us he does not regularly enter new devices into the ITSDB as required because the database’s updating function sometimes does not work and he later forgets to enter the asset information.

Other good notes

Lack of training:

> NIST requires that organizations provide security-related technical training specifically tailored for their assigned duties... As of April 2019, JPL did not have a role-based training program, provide additional IT security training for system administrators, nor fund their IT security certifications.

Refusing to let Department of Homeland Security (DHS) complete a thorough post-intrusion assessment:

>However, according to NASA SOC personnel, JPL was concerned with inadvertent access to its corporate network and feared disruption of mission operations. In addition, JPL was unfamiliar with DHS’s standard engagement procedures. Collectively, resolution of these issues resulted in DHS being unable to perform scans of the entire network until 4 months after the incident was detected.

[1]: https://oig.nasa.gov/docs/IG-19-022.pdf

Re: NASA Has Been Hacked

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post #4

Wow. Try to opt out of their data tracking, an option they're required to add. "This may take up to a few minutes to process" They make you wait at this long ass loading screen while they "process" your request not to have cookies. Here's the outline for people who don't want to wait minutes to read an article. https://outline.com/TZSBv4

It gets stuck for a minute or two on 100%, then says that some trackers cannot use https and makes you click another link to finish the process.

I wonder why these dark patterns are still acceptable on the web. I thought opting-out was supposed to be as easy as opting-in according to the GDPR? The vast majority of sites I see make opting-out a very difficult process, usually hidden behind a tiny grey span of text, while the opt-in is a giant green, frictionless button with immediate effect.

Usually there is misleading title like "We value your privacy", and a giant green accept button making you think you're agreeing with that statement. Then a tiny "Other options" in grey somewhere at the bottom which makes you go through sixteen confusing modal dialogs.

Re: NASA Has Been Hacked

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post #4

Wow. Try to opt out of their data tracking, an option they're required to add. "This may take up to a few minutes to process" They make you wait at this long ass loading screen while they "process" your request not to have cookies. Here's the outline for people who don't want to wait minutes to read an article. https://outline.com/TZSBv4

I discussed this recently here on HN [0], the fake spinner is a dark-UI to 'punish' you for opting out. If you just accept the popup disappears immediately.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20131381

Re: NASA Has Been Hacked

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post #15
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Wow. Try to opt out of their data tracking, an option they're required to add. "This may take up to a few minutes to process" They make you wait at this long ass loading screen while they "process" your request not to have cookies. Here's the outline for people who don't want to wait minutes to read an article. https://outline.com/TZSBv4

It gets stuck for a minute or two on 100%, then says that some trackers cannot use https and makes you click another link to finish the process. I wonder why these dark patterns are still acceptable on the web. I thought opting-out was supposed to be as easy as opting-in according to the GDPR? The vast majority of sites I see make opting-out a very difficult process, usually hidden behind a tiny grey span of text, wh…

I wonder why these dark patterns are still acceptable on the web. I thought opting-out was supposed to be as easy as opting-in according to the GDPR?

Yes, that’s the idea, but who’s going to enforce it?

The dark patterns trick most people into doing what they want. A small number of technically-savvy users may complain, but we have little leverage.

Re: NASA Has Been Hacked

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Reading the audit, this kind of confirms my base question when building infrastructure: If people don't do the right thing the business needs, why is it too hard to do? Can't we reduce the pain to do the right thing so doing the lazy / wrong thing is harder? People not doing thing tends to be an indication of boundaries and responsibilities being drawn in bad ways.

Something like the log reviews are a classical thing. Training a sysadmin to know all the new hot attacks and patterns they cause in a log is hard, because that world moves fast. It'd be much more effective to task the admin with a well-defined, easily monitored task: . Might need some definition about format and which logs, but all logs go to splunk. And then it's the security guys job to look for malicious patterns in those logs, probably automatically. Ideally with something simple, like elastic-alert, logstash, you name it, from my own stack.

Similar, why do people have to manually enter systems into the host database? It depends on how far you want to automate that, but firewall all systems to access the central registry only, and widen the firewall after an authorized registration of the system. That way, the admins just have to rack systems with a usb stick with some credentials, and it goes or it doesn't.

If basic things are so hard people don't do them, something is structurally wrong.

Re: NASA Has Been Hacked

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post #16
post #4

Wow. Try to opt out of their data tracking, an option they're required to add. "This may take up to a few minutes to process" They make you wait at this long ass loading screen while they "process" your request not to have cookies. Here's the outline for people who don't want to wait minutes to read an article. https://outline.com/TZSBv4

I discussed this recently here on HN [0], the fake spinner is a dark-UI to 'punish' you for opting out. If you just accept the popup disappears immediately. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20131381

I don't think that's actually true. Rather, it's an architectural thing — because all these ad systems were designed without consent in mind, accepting is a no-op, whereas refusing consent requires an outbound request to set some sort of "do not track" flag somewhere (presumably as a cookie).
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