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We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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Post by scarejunba »

conanbatt wrote: post #38
dmortin wrote: post #13

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It's strange that a rich area can't take care of this problem. E.g. supporting the homeless some way, cleaning them up and helping them to find some job and housing.

California and San francisco are amongst the most corrupt states I know. Believe me, I am from Argentina, I can smell corruption a mile a way. 2.5 billion dollars spent on a broken bus station, and they are going to fix long-term homelessness with 800 million, and a poop patrol that earns 100k+ a year per employee?

Hahaha, this is so true. If you've ever lived outside America (esp. in the third world) you can see the corruption immediately.

These things don't cost as much as Californians think they do.

Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

shafyy wrote: post #16
superpermutat0r wrote: post #10

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Split, Croatia. Weather is equivalent, smaller city, lots of foreigners, and a growing IT industry. For a foreigner it's also very easy to just come and live in Croatia, they give staying permits to anyone who comes to just live and spend money (not work) but after you find work, getting an EU blue card is a piece of cake.

Sounds like a great place to work. In Turkey, it's also quite easy to get a staying permit, even if you don't plan on being emplyed by a Turkish company (e.g. if you just want to work on your startup). Just need to show that you have $500 per month you want to stay on your bank account.

Which areas of Turkey are safe for non-muslims at present?

Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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Post by qaq »

rtio wrote: post #131
qaq wrote: post #51

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Montenegro might be a good alternative with 11% income tax

Seems unlikely. Montenegro is for example not member of the EU. Chances are it is a better idea to 'trade up' to somewhere like Slovenia instead were you can find yourself with a low tax rate in some situations.

If you are a US citizen or a citizen of any other country that has visa free travel with EU why would you care?

Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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Post by superpermutat0r »

tzakrajs wrote: post #14
superpermutat0r wrote: post #10

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Split, Croatia. Weather is equivalent, smaller city, lots of foreigners, and a growing IT industry. For a foreigner it's also very easy to just come and live in Croatia, they give staying permits to anyone who comes to just live and spend money (not work) but after you find work, getting an EU blue card is a piece of cake.

What if we don't speak any language other than English? Is it difficult to live and work there as such?

Language is not a requirement to live/work in Croatia. There's a huge expat community in Croatia, I have met many Canadians and US citizens who came here and got their job because of their great English. Yes, working as an English teacher, or translator, or any language related job is a bit boring, but for tech people there's a huge demand and English-only is perfectly fine.

Food has labels in English, restaurants and everything else, because of tourism, are very English oriented. It's a great place for foreigners.

Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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Post by breck »

opencl wrote: post #109
jozvolskyef wrote: post #86

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Are you sure climate isn't the main factor? If I were homeless I'd go to SF over NYC due to the mild winters.

The overwhelming majority of homeless people in California lived in the same county they currently do before they became homeless. Climate is clearly not the main factor. 71% in SF homeless already lived in SF, 90% already lived in California: https://socketsite.com/archives/2016/02/san-franciscos-homel... the cite link in that article is dead but refers to http://hsh.sfgov.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/2015-San-Fra…

I found that fact surprising so I looked at that socketsite but their link to the original source is a dead link.

Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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Post by opencl »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #130
opencl wrote: post #109

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The overwhelming majority of homeless people in California lived in the same county they currently do before they became homeless. Climate is clearly not the main factor. 71% in SF homeless already lived in SF, 90% already lived in California: https://socketsite.com/archives/2016/02/san-franciscos-homel... the cite link in that article is dead but refers to http://hsh.sfgov.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/2015-San-Fra…

That is really ignoring the fact that people move to these cities with dreams and no plans, come from great falls Montana with money for a place to stay for one month, and then are homeless afterwards. Also, collecting statistics on homeless is notoriously noisy; eg in Seattle they did a survey that found most of the homeless lived in Seattle before they were homeless, but when asked where they lived, most put down p…

In the LA survey 65% had lived in LA for at least 20 years, 80% had lived there for at least 5 years. Half the people in SF who had already been there had been for at least 10 years when they became homeless, 89% had been there at least a year.

Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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Post by lazyasciiart »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #130
opencl wrote: post #109

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The overwhelming majority of homeless people in California lived in the same county they currently do before they became homeless. Climate is clearly not the main factor. 71% in SF homeless already lived in SF, 90% already lived in California: https://socketsite.com/archives/2016/02/san-franciscos-homel... the cite link in that article is dead but refers to http://hsh.sfgov.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/2015-San-Fra…

That is really ignoring the fact that people move to these cities with dreams and no plans, come from great falls Montana with money for a place to stay for one month, and then are homeless afterwards. Also, collecting statistics on homeless is notoriously noisy; eg in Seattle they did a survey that found most of the homeless lived in Seattle before they were homeless, but when asked where they lived, most put down p…

I think it's fair to say that people move to NYC in the same way, which is the city being compared here.

Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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Post by blue_devil »

rolleiflex wrote: post #70

I'm a startup founder living in San Francisco, currently in Istanbul, Turkey, for a half work trip, half hiring. First of all the same caveat applies: if you want to live in Turkey, you have to know Turkish. Turkey is closer to France than Thailand in terms of tolerance for English, tourists get a pass, but otherwise fiercely protective. If you're not a visitor, you are expected to know at least basic Turkish or be a…

Very elegant plug

Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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Post by opencl »

breck wrote: post #146
opencl wrote: post #109

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The overwhelming majority of homeless people in California lived in the same county they currently do before they became homeless. Climate is clearly not the main factor. 71% in SF homeless already lived in SF, 90% already lived in California: https://socketsite.com/archives/2016/02/san-franciscos-homel... the cite link in that article is dead but refers to http://hsh.sfgov.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/2015-San-Fra…

I found that fact surprising so I looked at that socketsite but their link to the original source is a dead link.

It got moved to a new URL: http://hsh.sfgov.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/2015-San-Fra...
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