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Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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Post by rtio » Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 5:12 PM UTC

qaq wrote: post #51

superpermutat0r wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Split, Croatia. Weather is equivalent, smaller city, lots of foreigners, and a growing IT industry. For a foreigner it's also very easy to just come and live in Croatia, they give staying permits to anyone who comes to just live and spend money (not work) but after you find work, getting an EU blue card is a piece of cake.

Montenegro might be a good alternative with 11% income tax

Seems unlikely. Montenegro is for example not member of the EU. Chances are it is a better idea to 'trade up' to somewhere like Slovenia instead were you can find yourself with a low tax rate in some situations.

Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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Post by shafyy » Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 5:12 PM UTC

magduf wrote: post #92

skyraider wrote: post #8

I'm looking to move to Bodrum from NYC for many of these same reasons :-) Turkey has a lot of potential to be a remote work hub.

Turkey is run by a near-dictator and is right next door to a country in the midst of a civil war; it certainly doesn't look like a safe place to move to.

Istanbul and Bodrum are probably safer than most US cities. Also, go search an google for yesterday's mayoral elections in Istanbul. A BIG step in the right direction.

Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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Post by shafyy » Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 5:12 PM UTC

_v7gu wrote: post #107

skyraider wrote: post #8

I'm looking to move to Bodrum from NYC for many of these same reasons :-) Turkey has a lot of potential to be a remote work hub.

Bodrum is heaven. Quite boring during winter though.

True, but summer season also sucks. So many tourists. In winter, you can concentrate and your work and do some sailing =)

Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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Post by shafyy » Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 5:14 PM UTC

cesarb wrote: post #74

> Obviously, VR will transform the nature of remote work. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't network latency be an important consideration with VR-based remote work?

No, super low latency (Anyhow, as the sister comment says, 5G and further advancments are bringing down latency. By the time remote work will be done in VR in a mainstream fashion, this won't be a problem at all.

Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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Post by danans » Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 5:15 PM UTC

superpermutat0r wrote: post #4

I can't even work in SF. The time wasted to drive to work kills me, I can't get desensitized to all the homeless shitting on streets, stabbing themselves with needles, talking schizophrenically in a dead language, every time I go grab a coffee or lunch in a cheaper area, it's like watching animal slaughter every day. Quality of life definitely much better in Mediterranean city I live today.

> talking schizophrenically in a dead language,

I'm not sure "dead language" is the term you are looking for.

> every time I go grab a coffee or lunch in a cheaper area,

A "cheaper area" area where they can access what they need to get through the day (cheap food, etc) is also what those homeless people are after, so it's no surprise you might end up in the same space.

Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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Post by jupp0r » Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 5:15 PM UTC

Has the author watched the news in the last few years? German and Swedish online security experts were thrown in jail in 2017 basically for organizing a crypto party [1]. I know first-hand of several software engineers who basically had to flee the country with their families in order to avoid being disappeared. With all the possible countries to move your startup to, Turkey would be pretty low on my list. I wouldn't even enter the country for a vacation.

[1] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/07/global-condemnation-tu...

Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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Post by shafyy » Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 5:15 PM UTC

_v7gu wrote: post #106

> We can’t grab a coffee with a random investor tomorrow. We don’t meet as many driven people who are interested in tech. We can’t go to fancy networking events. In Bodrum, that's correct. That's where people go for vacations. But compared to Istanbul's 16m, San Francisco is a village with a population of less than a million people. Even the whole Bay Area has half the population of Istanbul despite being five times…

Not sure if you read my entire post, but this is exactly my point, too :-)

Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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Post by shafyy » Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 5:17 PM UTC

kevinflo wrote: post #110

ghaff wrote: post #2

>Obviously, VR will transform the nature of remote work. The rest of the post makes perfect sense given their situation. This, however, is pretty silly. I do firmly believe that there is a need for better remote collaboration tools. I see pretty much zero evidence that VR is an essential part (or even an optional part) of that.

I 100% agree with the author on this. VR in its current iteration is clearly not suitable for this in any way, but down the line the fundamentals of VR align perfectly with some of the pain points of remote collaboration. With all current collaboration tools the parties are still bridging the gap of working in different places. In VR, everyone is inhabiting the same virtual space. It's just completely different. Prac…

Thank you, exactly. I would say in 10 years it will be normal to work 8h a day in VR. But we will see companies start doing it much earlier.

Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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Post by hutzlibu » Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 5:17 PM UTC

devnonymous wrote: post #30

andreygrehov wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Homelessness should be illegal.

Absolutely! Put them all in jail, where they have a roof over their head, a bed to sleep, 2 square meals, sanitation... paid for by tax dollars.... errr or some such. /sarsasm in case it was not evident. some days I just don't know whether it would be evident here.

I think/hope parent was sarcastic as well ...

Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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Post by fucking_tragedy » Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 5:17 PM UTC

toasterlovin wrote: post #108

fucking_tragedy wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with your simple hypothesis is that the data doesn't back it up. Drugs & alcohol account for 15% of the reasons for homelessness in SF, and medical issues/illness account for 7%[1]. The data shows that housing costs and financial instability are the largest causes of homelessness in SF. [1] http://hsh.sfgov.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/2017SanFranc...

Sorry, I should have been more specific: I am referring to visible homelessness, people living on the street, etc. The colloquial meaning of the term 'homeless', in other words. I should have been more specific, especially given that this confusion regarding the use of this term is a pet peeve of mine.

No problem, thanks for the clarification. It's a pet peeve of mine, as well.