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In Japan, It’s a Riveting TV Plot: Can a Worker Go Home on Time?

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Re: In Japan, It’s a Riveting TV Plot: Can a Worker Go Home on Time?

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As a fan of office-based dry comedies (The Office, Dreamland, W1A, etc), I'm curious if anyone has watched the show? If so, would you recommend it?

Still at the first episode, it seems decent enough. At least it hits some critical points very straight on, even if delivery is a bit bland.

I would compare it to Haken no Hinkaku, in a more modern and less cliche company setting.

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An interesting take on this in Spain recently was that unpaid overtime was effectively "robbing from state taxes", because those extra hours should have been paid and so contribute to the government coffers. This resulted in a law (mostly defanged, self reports and no real punishment) that companies must track the time employees spend at work.

Why is "unpaid overtime is robbing from state taxes" a better argument than "unpaid overtime is robbing from workers"?

Because then the government actually pays attention.

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>In addition to cultural attitudes about the value of hard work, she said, some employers reduce costs by relying on overtime, and employees work the longer hours for the extra pay and to please the boss — promotions often depend more on time spent at a desk than actual productivity. Agggh hits to home. Arrogant American me rolled into a Taiwanese job expecting to skyrocket up the ladder on results alone. Nope, becau…

> how do leaders convince people that change can be good?

Showing the idea to a broad audience on tv is actually one way to do this.

(although there are ways this can backfire)

Re: In Japan, It’s a Riveting TV Plot: Can a Worker Go Home on Time?

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>In addition to cultural attitudes about the value of hard work, she said, some employers reduce costs by relying on overtime, and employees work the longer hours for the extra pay and to please the boss — promotions often depend more on time spent at a desk than actual productivity. Agggh hits to home. Arrogant American me rolled into a Taiwanese job expecting to skyrocket up the ladder on results alone. Nope, becau…

Is there any way you could just make it physiologically untenable for anyone to stay in your office past 5PM? Right around 6PM at my apartment, the downstairs tenants light up with the most awful, stanky skunk-weed. You literally cannot keep the windows open; and yet, in the middle of summer and no central AC, you can't afford to be there with them closed, either. So, in effect, my neighbour forces me to ensure I'm n…

Maybe just turn the lights and power to the router and switched off with a timer at 5pm?

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> In a place I worked, if someone left at 5:30 pm, the CTO used to joke "half day today?", even though the person came in at 9 am. This shit is toxic masculinity in action – the part that affects men. Women protest this kind of thing because if they have children they need to go home to, then they are unable to compete on hours with men who can stay late and rely on their wives. But men deserve time with their famili…

Why are you assuming the CTO was a man?

Oh, my God! I'm part of the problem!

Re: In Japan, It’s a Riveting TV Plot: Can a Worker Go Home on Time?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To get someone (the government in this case) to care (change rules) it sometimes helps to frame a problem in a way that affects them. Maybe?

That's sad that a government wouldn't see its citizens being robbed as a problem that affects them, as governments are directly responsible for the regulatory environment in which we all do business.

In US, government is more run like a business, could we collect more revenue? yes? it's a good idea!!!

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>In addition to cultural attitudes about the value of hard work, she said, some employers reduce costs by relying on overtime, and employees work the longer hours for the extra pay and to please the boss — promotions often depend more on time spent at a desk than actual productivity. Agggh hits to home. Arrogant American me rolled into a Taiwanese job expecting to skyrocket up the ladder on results alone. Nope, becau…

How does relaying on Overtime reduce costs? That's just an invitation for workers to indulge in Spanish practices.

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post #43
post #7

>In addition to cultural attitudes about the value of hard work, she said, some employers reduce costs by relying on overtime, and employees work the longer hours for the extra pay and to please the boss — promotions often depend more on time spent at a desk than actual productivity. Agggh hits to home. Arrogant American me rolled into a Taiwanese job expecting to skyrocket up the ladder on results alone. Nope, becau…

Is there any way you could just make it physiologically untenable for anyone to stay in your office past 5PM? Right around 6PM at my apartment, the downstairs tenants light up with the most awful, stanky skunk-weed. You literally cannot keep the windows open; and yet, in the middle of summer and no central AC, you can't afford to be there with them closed, either. So, in effect, my neighbour forces me to ensure I'm n…

That is like spraying perfume in a stinky room, it might work short term though. Good solution is to clean the stinky room :P

Jokes aside, I don't believe any amount of laws/hacks can completely fix the issue, they sure can help. The attitude has to change. There is more to life than work, money, titles, corner office etc.

The saddest part in all of this is a large part of the workforce has nothing to show for all those long hours they put into work. It might be a tiny bit comforting, if they at least got something in return for their hard work. They've been brainwashed into thinking "at least I have a job" :(

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's important to let your employer feel that pain Unless you're hourly.

Give it enough time and your hourly wages will amortize to cover this - what should now be a 75/hr tier will have remained at 60/hr because everyone gets paid that, working overtime, to get some job done that probably doesn't need overtime to get done. Saw this in Oil and Gas industry among Engineers and Designers (the pipeline/wiring kind, not the UX kind), not sure if it's true for other industries though. Haven't…

Oh very traditional in heavy engineering, I know one industrial relations expert who told me, when a big turbine was due for delivery suddenly the tools and screwdrivers would get suddenly heavy and every one got very tired.

Until of course the brown envelopes came out then as he said even the tea boy got a grand - this is mid 70's btw.

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