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In Japan, It’s a Riveting TV Plot: Can a Worker Go Home on Time?

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Re: In Japan, It’s a Riveting TV Plot: Can a Worker Go Home on Time?

#31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure why you are being down voted, this is a fantastic list of things this country desperately needs to improve upon.

Because it’s an unfounded list of complaints. Other than American exceptionalism you could easily argue that all countries have sub cultures with those exact same problems.

I feel like that doesn't stop them from being problems that we hope we can fix someday.

Re: In Japan, It’s a Riveting TV Plot: Can a Worker Go Home on Time?

#32

In a place I worked, if someone left at 5:30 pm, the CTO used to joke "half day today?", even though the person came in at 9 am. In many places I worked in the US, it is somewhat of a badge of honor to spend long hours at work (how many of those are actually productive, is a different story). And these aren't even startups. This can't continue - an entire generation of people have been brainwashed that hard work = go…

I'm pretty sure I understand what you mean when you clarify emergencies. I'd like to add that it's pretty silly how many hours doctors work regularly. In a triage situation, it's understandable for someone with that job to work 100 hours, but if that is a regular week they will make unnecessary mistakes.

Re: In Japan, It’s a Riveting TV Plot: Can a Worker Go Home on Time?

#33
post #25

An interesting take on this in Spain recently was that unpaid overtime was effectively "robbing from state taxes", because those extra hours should have been paid and so contribute to the government coffers. This resulted in a law (mostly defanged, self reports and no real punishment) that companies must track the time employees spend at work.

Why is "unpaid overtime is robbing from state taxes" a better argument than "unpaid overtime is robbing from workers"?

To get someone (the government in this case) to care (change rules) it sometimes helps to frame a problem in a way that affects them. Maybe?

Re: In Japan, It’s a Riveting TV Plot: Can a Worker Go Home on Time?

#34
> In a place I worked, if someone left at 5:30 pm, the CTO used to joke "half day today?", even though the person came in at 9 am.

This shit is toxic masculinity in action – the part that affects men. Women protest this kind of thing because if they have children they need to go home to, then they are unable to compete on hours with men who can stay late and rely on their wives. But men deserve time with their families too, and single people deserve downtime. Toxic masculinity drives this competition of who can suffer more for the company, and everyone loses (except the shareholders).

Re: In Japan, It’s a Riveting TV Plot: Can a Worker Go Home on Time?

#35
post #25

An interesting take on this in Spain recently was that unpaid overtime was effectively "robbing from state taxes", because those extra hours should have been paid and so contribute to the government coffers. This resulted in a law (mostly defanged, self reports and no real punishment) that companies must track the time employees spend at work.

Why is "unpaid overtime is robbing from state taxes" a better argument than "unpaid overtime is robbing from workers"?

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Re: In Japan, It’s a Riveting TV Plot: Can a Worker Go Home on Time?

#36

> We have our own culturally ingrained things in America that I'd like to change as well, and that are changing, but so slowly. How do you implement change? Out of curiosity, what would you like to change in the US?

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20235397.

Re: In Japan, It’s a Riveting TV Plot: Can a Worker Go Home on Time?

#37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure why you are being down voted, this is a fantastic list of things this country desperately needs to improve upon.

Because it’s an unfounded list of complaints. Other than American exceptionalism you could easily argue that all countries have sub cultures with those exact same problems.

Does the problem existing in other places make it an unfounded one?

If my house is burning down it's not made acceptable by my neighbor's house also burning down.

Re: In Japan, It’s a Riveting TV Plot: Can a Worker Go Home on Time?

#38
post #14

Was the actual series linked anywhere in the article ? I might have missed it, for anyone else looking for it: https://www.tbs.co.jp/watatei/

In general, how do you link to a TV show? They don't have websites per se.

Actually they do have websites in Japan. And they don't remove it after - this is "The Pride of the Temp" website, created in 2007 http://www.ntv.co.jp/haken/

Re: In Japan, It’s a Riveting TV Plot: Can a Worker Go Home on Time?

#39
post #25

An interesting take on this in Spain recently was that unpaid overtime was effectively "robbing from state taxes", because those extra hours should have been paid and so contribute to the government coffers. This resulted in a law (mostly defanged, self reports and no real punishment) that companies must track the time employees spend at work.

Why is "unpaid overtime is robbing from state taxes" a better argument than "unpaid overtime is robbing from workers"?

Feels less selfish, and also undermines any kind of “look at XX, heroically giving his time for the success of the company” retort

Re: In Japan, It’s a Riveting TV Plot: Can a Worker Go Home on Time?

#40

An interesting take on this in Spain recently was that unpaid overtime was effectively "robbing from state taxes", because those extra hours should have been paid and so contribute to the government coffers. This resulted in a law (mostly defanged, self reports and no real punishment) that companies must track the time employees spend at work.

That argument doesn’t really make sense.

1) paid time is taxed 2) unpaid overtime is not taxed 3) untaxed work effectively evades taxes 4) unpaid overtime is tax evasion.

which step don't you agree with?

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