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In Japan, It’s a Riveting TV Plot: Can a Worker Go Home on Time?

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Re: In Japan, It’s a Riveting TV Plot: Can a Worker Go Home on Time?

#21

I once heard it said that employee overtime was like morphine for employers, because it masks the pain of organizational dysfunction. It's important to let your employer feel that pain so that they can become aware of what is wrong and fix it.

It's important to let your employer feel that pain Unless you're hourly.

Well the idea of time and a half is that overtime should be painful to the employer. It probably isn't though or at least is budgeted for.

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> We have our own culturally ingrained things in America that I'd like to change as well, and that are changing, but so slowly. How do you implement change? Out of curiosity, what would you like to change in the US?

Systemic racism and sexism (bigotry in general, and America to this day is overflowing with it - for Muslims, LGBT, Hispanics, Africans, Chinese, etc..), historical revisionism / fantasy, American exceptionalism, ideological imperialism, cults around jobs and work, corporate personification, the pervasive and toxic "I got mine, screw you" mindset, idolization of the rich, anti-intellectualism, anti-science, and anti-…

Not sure why you are being down voted, this is a fantastic list of things this country desperately needs to improve upon.

Re: In Japan, It’s a Riveting TV Plot: Can a Worker Go Home on Time?

#23
There were J-Drama actually, ハケンの品格 ("The Pride of the Temp") about the contractor who is so brilliant that she gives conditions to the staffing company.

> The conditions are that her contract term is for 3 months only, working time is from 9am to 6pm on weekdays only and no extra work or work expected on holidays.

http://asianwiki.com/The_Pride_of_the_Temp

Re: In Japan, It’s a Riveting TV Plot: Can a Worker Go Home on Time?

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> We have our own culturally ingrained things in America that I'd like to change as well, and that are changing, but so slowly. How do you implement change? Out of curiosity, what would you like to change in the US?

Systemic racism and sexism (bigotry in general, and America to this day is overflowing with it - for Muslims, LGBT, Hispanics, Africans, Chinese, etc..), historical revisionism / fantasy, American exceptionalism, ideological imperialism, cults around jobs and work, corporate personification, the pervasive and toxic "I got mine, screw you" mindset, idolization of the rich, anti-intellectualism, anti-science, and anti-…

Nice gish gallop.

Those aren’t culturally ingrained in the US on any wide scale. It’s not the expectation to be racist to move up in the corporate ladder in the US. We’re talking about common culture across the majority of the group.

Not even American exceptionalism is common in workplaces (e.g. see every big tech company). About the only thing that is common is that people think the country is fucked up because of “the other political party”.

Re: In Japan, It’s a Riveting TV Plot: Can a Worker Go Home on Time?

#25

An interesting take on this in Spain recently was that unpaid overtime was effectively "robbing from state taxes", because those extra hours should have been paid and so contribute to the government coffers. This resulted in a law (mostly defanged, self reports and no real punishment) that companies must track the time employees spend at work.

Why is "unpaid overtime is robbing from state taxes" a better argument than "unpaid overtime is robbing from workers"?

Re: In Japan, It’s a Riveting TV Plot: Can a Worker Go Home on Time?

#26
post #20

> We have our own culturally ingrained things in America that I'd like to change as well, and that are changing, but so slowly. How do you implement change? Out of curiosity, what would you like to change in the US?

Systemic racism and sexism (bigotry in general, and America to this day is overflowing with it - for Muslims, LGBT, Hispanics, Africans, Chinese, etc..), historical revisionism / fantasy, American exceptionalism, ideological imperialism, cults around jobs and work, corporate personification, the pervasive and toxic "I got mine, screw you" mindset, idolization of the rich, anti-intellectualism, anti-science, and anti-…

Push for universal services.

IMO that’s the concrete way to begin to normalize away from the bulk of the things you describe.

When we show the aristocracy we can peacefully organize around our own interests, that will have them properly concerned.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Systemic racism and sexism (bigotry in general, and America to this day is overflowing with it - for Muslims, LGBT, Hispanics, Africans, Chinese, etc..), historical revisionism / fantasy, American exceptionalism, ideological imperialism, cults around jobs and work, corporate personification, the pervasive and toxic "I got mine, screw you" mindset, idolization of the rich, anti-intellectualism, anti-science, and anti-…

Not sure why you are being down voted, this is a fantastic list of things this country desperately needs to improve upon.

Because it’s an unfounded list of complaints. Other than American exceptionalism you could easily argue that all countries have sub cultures with those exact same problems.

Re: In Japan, It’s a Riveting TV Plot: Can a Worker Go Home on Time?

#28

> We have our own culturally ingrained things in America that I'd like to change as well, and that are changing, but so slowly. How do you implement change? Out of curiosity, what would you like to change in the US?

The attitude towards taking time off, frankly. I don’t mind busting my ass at work, it’s fun, but the looks you get when you take more than a week or two of vacation at a time :-/

Re: In Japan, It’s a Riveting TV Plot: Can a Worker Go Home on Time?

#29
In a place I worked, if someone left at 5:30 pm, the CTO used to joke "half day today?", even though the person came in at 9 am.

In many places I worked in the US, it is somewhat of a badge of honor to spend long hours at work (how many of those are actually productive, is a different story). And these aren't even startups.

This can't continue - an entire generation of people have been brainwashed that hard work = good, costs be damned. It has to change.

IMHO, the only reasons to work long hours are - real emergencies (like the kind doctors and cops deal with, not the kind when some photo sharing app goes down for 15 mins), or you're working on your own business. It is ridiculous to work 70 hours a week bringing someone else's dreams to life, especially while getting paid for only 40 out of that 70. This is even more annoying when the said job adds no value or negative value to society.

Re: In Japan, It’s a Riveting TV Plot: Can a Worker Go Home on Time?

#30
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Systemic racism and sexism (bigotry in general, and America to this day is overflowing with it - for Muslims, LGBT, Hispanics, Africans, Chinese, etc..), historical revisionism / fantasy, American exceptionalism, ideological imperialism, cults around jobs and work, corporate personification, the pervasive and toxic "I got mine, screw you" mindset, idolization of the rich, anti-intellectualism, anti-science, and anti-…

Nice gish gallop. Those aren’t culturally ingrained in the US on any wide scale. It’s not the expectation to be racist to move up in the corporate ladder in the US. We’re talking about common culture across the majority of the group. Not even American exceptionalism is common in workplaces (e.g. see every big tech company). About the only thing that is common is that people think the country is fucked up because of “…

You made connections between things and the workplace that the parent did not imply to my eye.

It was an array and you started making a dict, assuming whatever connections you wanted.

See Americans are trained to not be so gaudy but quietly believe in these things. I see it all the time when I actually push people to share their political views. Democrats and liberal minded folks totally ok with bombing the Middle East and making life cheaper and easier for America.

So I guess it’s something of a ymmv, depending on whether you actively dig or just idly observe.

I think what the internet has shown is we all have wildly varying ideas of what being free means at an individual scale but at a macro social like scale pretty much just follow the corporate drum beat.

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