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Magnesium and major depression (2011)

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Re: Magnesium and major depression (2011)

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Post by curioussavage »

Genetikl33 wrote: post #92
sapilla wrote: post #70

I found CBD to provide temporary relief - I think my depression was inflammation related. The world is still dark and compressed but also comfortable, like the dark corners fill with algae and the ground with grass. What ended up working was improving my oral posture and articulation using ortothropics and self-developed speech exercises (the important part is having designed the exercises yourself). Suddenly it's va…

Can you elaborate on oral posture and articulation? I have a major snoring (apnea) and breathing issue due to dentistry mistakes (taking out teeth when I should not have as a kid) and my face caved in which compresses my breathing. This is my theory at least. I am curious because this is the first time I hear about the concepts you brought up

Been having jaw pain for years and have been hearing about neuromuscular dentists and also https://www.myofunctionaltherapists.com/home

Haven’t tried either thing but I hope to soon. In my experience dentists and orthodontists are little help with these kinds of problems.

Re: Magnesium and major depression (2011)

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Post by thorwasdfasdf »

nradov wrote: post #159
thorwasdfasdf wrote: post #155

I hope this issue gets more attention. We're so undernourished when it comes to Magnesium. Also, closely related is Calcium. Calcium and Magnesium work closely together in the body for huge number of functions related to brain health. Of particular importance is the ratio of calcium to magnesium. A Significant portion of the population has their calcium to magnesium ratio way too high, something like 10 to 1 or highe…

How significant is that portion? Have there been any large scale clinical studies recently on calcium and magnesium levels in the population? Please cite your sources regarding the recommended calcium intake.

WHO (World Health organization) says 500mg.

Re: Magnesium and major depression (2011)

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Post by DoreenMichele »

thorwasdfasdf wrote: post #158
DoreenMichele wrote: post #108

The onset of depression has greatly increased in incidence, and it is affecting people much earlier in their lives during the late 20th century and early 21st century than before the 20th century (Meyer and Quenzar, 2005). The reasons for these findings are not quite clear, but inadequate dietary Mg is prevalent in America and is the most likely cause. There is probably a real increase in depression, coupled with a c…

There have been a number of experiments where they gave patients more magnesium, and in response most patients reduce their depression by a statistically significant amount. The inverse was found when they gave them calcium (more calcium increases depression). It's all about the ratio of calcium to magnesium. We're a society that consistently gets way too much calcium and way too little magnesium. That's because our…

I stated up front that somatopsychic effects are quite real. I don't doubt that a magnesium deficiency is a culprit in depression for many people.

But are you arguing that, yea, verily, this article's foundational assumption is true and correct: Magnesium deficiency is the sole or prime cause of all (or virtually all) modern depression?

If so, I think you need to back that up with a whole lot more than a paragraph or two about things you've read, like a long list of citations that not only show the role magnesium plays, but also another long list of citations that affirmatively excludes myriad other potential causes of Major Depression that are generally understood to be contributing factors.

Re: Magnesium and major depression (2011)

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Post by dTal »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #169
balabaster wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would wager it's a combination of factors: 1. In general, the north american diet is disgraceful. 2. Consumerism and brainwashing people into believing that they can only be happy when they achieve X, Y or Z, does nothing for people's emotional emptiness. 3. The constant barrage of shit news, most of which is largely irrelevant to most of our lives, most of the time. 4. The constant threat of automation and off-sho…

I would add at least two more that I think are huge and largely overlooked most of the time: a. Loss of a sense of community and the very real practical support that provides with moving from small town/rural to big city life for most people. b. "Sick building syndrome" which I think is far, far more widespread than is generally recognized. Among other things, indoor air quality is crap more often than not.

I agree and think these actually enormously overshadow all of the previously mentioned factors except maybe diet.

We weren't meant to live out our lives in seas of isolated little poorly ventilated boxes.

Re: Magnesium and major depression (2011)

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Post by thorwasdfasdf »

nradov wrote: post #159
thorwasdfasdf wrote: post #155

I hope this issue gets more attention. We're so undernourished when it comes to Magnesium. Also, closely related is Calcium. Calcium and Magnesium work closely together in the body for huge number of functions related to brain health. Of particular importance is the ratio of calcium to magnesium. A Significant portion of the population has their calcium to magnesium ratio way too high, something like 10 to 1 or highe…

How significant is that portion? Have there been any large scale clinical studies recently on calcium and magnesium levels in the population? Please cite your sources regarding the recommended calcium intake.

way too much calcium (>1400) causes many problems like calcification of the arteries and heart disease, etc

Here's another article link: https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/18/dangers-of-too-muc... https://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.f228

Re: Magnesium and major depression (2011)

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Post by thorwasdfasdf »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #173
thorwasdfasdf wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There have been a number of experiments where they gave patients more magnesium, and in response most patients reduce their depression by a statistically significant amount. The inverse was found when they gave them calcium (more calcium increases depression). It's all about the ratio of calcium to magnesium. We're a society that consistently gets way too much calcium and way too little magnesium. That's because our…

I stated up front that somatopsychic effects are quite real. I don't doubt that a magnesium deficiency is a culprit in depression for many people. But are you arguing that, yea, verily, this article's foundational assumption is true and correct: Magnesium deficiency is the sole or prime cause of all (or virtually all) modern depression? If so, I think you need to back that up with a whole lot more than a paragraph or…

I don't think the article is saying it's the sole cause but they're saying it's a factor.

And of course, not everyone who gets too little mag/too much calcium will react in the same way.

Re: Magnesium and major depression (2011)

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Post by DoreenMichele »

thorwasdfasdf wrote: post #176
DoreenMichele wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I stated up front that somatopsychic effects are quite real. I don't doubt that a magnesium deficiency is a culprit in depression for many people. But are you arguing that, yea, verily, this article's foundational assumption is true and correct: Magnesium deficiency is the sole or prime cause of all (or virtually all) modern depression? If so, I think you need to back that up with a whole lot more than a paragraph or…

I don't think the article is saying it's the sole cause but they're saying it's a factor. And of course, not everyone who gets too little mag/too much calcium will react in the same way.

From the article:

inadequate dietary Mg is prevalent in America and is the most likely cause.

It contains zero qualifiers suggesting it is one of many factors, a major factor among many, etc. It uses the word "the" and the singular form of "cause."

Re: Magnesium and major depression (2011)

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Post by kerkeslager »

geggam wrote: post #165
kerkeslager wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Hemp is a weed and was growing prolifically all over the US until the 1920's and 1930's, when it was outlawed. Free range cattle still is a big thing but was even larger then. Most of the beef in the nation consumed hemp 2nd hand by eating the domestic and wild animals that grazed on this wild growing weed > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp 1. The link you provided states that hemp contains varying amounts of CBD…

You should do some learning on your own and not just read what I post https://extension.psu.edu/industrial-hemp-production

> You should do some learning on your own and not just read what I post

> https://extension.psu.edu/industrial-hemp-production

1. You should read the links that you post.

2. You should post links that contain evidence for your claims, instead of links that don't.

I'm sorry to be glib here, but surely you can see the problem with telling ME to go find evidence for YOUR claims, when you can't even be bothered to find evidence for your own claims. Given that you aren't presenting any evidence for your claims, I think it's highly likely that no such evidence exists, and I'm not going to waste my time searching for evidence that likely doesn't exist.

Beating a dead horse a bit: the link you've posted still does not say that cannabinoids have ever been part of the human diet.

I strongly suspect that I've actually read more on this subject than you have, as you've failed to mention Michael Pollan's Botany of Desire, which actually explores the coevolutionary history of humans and marijuana. Although Pollan still doesn't make the claims you're making about CBD oil, he does at least survey some evidence for coevolution between humans and marijuana.

Re: Magnesium and major depression (2011)

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Post by Felger »

tarsinge wrote: post #129
kevstev wrote: post #85

I started taking magnesium supplements about 9 months ago, not for any depression issues, but more for muscle issues. I had a weird leg muscle injury a few years ago that I never really got a proper diagnosis for that happened when doing some light hiking. In doing my own research on that, a condition similar to my symptoms came up, and one of the causes was a magnesium deficiency. I had a few other minor ailments co…

Anecdotical but for years I had various anxiety and mild depression problems (edit: and various muscle “twitches”). As it was not severe I was always recommended Magnesium. Never had any improvement. Then 2 years ago I started taking vitamin D (thanks to HN discussions) and nearly all my symptoms disappeared (also changed job, started meditation, so the datapoint is not clear but magnesium alone didn't do much). Also…

Hello French "brother"

Serum levels of vit D and Magnesium are not reliable indicators. As stated in the study for Magnesium. For Vit D, efficiency of a supplementation of Vit D3 is also not on par with real sun exposure, the skin and subcutaneous fat don't seems to respond the same way.

I sadly did not had any improvement on my side from getting my Vit D level from 15 (which is barely above the deficiency level) to a whooping level of 60 in a few month with Bio-D-Mulsion drops (Vit D3). My mag must be high as I eat a very rich diet in this nutrient, without any dairy from more than a decade now

Re: Magnesium and major depression (2011)

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Post by nradov »

thorwasdfasdf wrote: post #172
nradov wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How significant is that portion? Have there been any large scale clinical studies recently on calcium and magnesium levels in the population? Please cite your sources regarding the recommended calcium intake.

WHO (World Health organization) says 500mg.

False. The WHO recommends 1000mg for most adults. Adolescents, pregnant women, and the elderly should get a little more.

https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/42716/92415...

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