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Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by _zamorano_ »

egd wrote: post #130

Someone I met tried to figure out how to actually legally stream the NBA playoffs recently - apparently there's basically no way to do so without an existing cable subscription or without paying for the entire season. I'm guessing the licensing structure around all of that would make the US tax code look readable, but the result is that it's effectively impossible to decide you want to watch a specific game on a comp…

At least in Spain, the NBA has a deal with Movistar, but you can also purchase a single game or a subscription using the official NBA app. No excuses here.

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Post by whenchamenia »

C1sc0cat wrote: post #245
kelnos wrote: post #119

This has the same solution as any other story around copyright infringement. If you provide people with easy, convenient, legal methods to consume the content in a way that works for them, for a price they find reasonable, then they overwhelmingly won't resort to illegal means. I'm not saying these bars are correct to resort to illegal streaming, but a wise businessperson would see this as a signal that their product…

Up to a point a minority of Landlords / Bar owners will take short cuts to boost their revenue - this is not the same as an individual pirating. There are a lot of shady practices in this industry buying your own beer on the side for example.

No, thats pirating, and unlicenced broadcast for profit. Much worse in the eyes of the law.

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Post by egeozcan »

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #133
egeozcan wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes and they actually refunded some percentage of the subscription fee for that, and sent a long email apologizing. I mean, I take it over many other services which just ignore the problems. Disclaimer: Happy subscriber and an F1 fan.

I‘m sorry but you must be kidding. They are having an outage on the pro service every, at least(!), second race weekend. The service usually goes down right at the start of the race and all people get is a tweet on @F1Help twitter account saying „we are aware of the issue and working on it“. Canadian GP was available for some users from lap 50! All was fine until 2 minutes before the start of the race. Yes, they refu…

Sorry that wasn't my experience but I would also cancel it if I went through the same troubles. Maybe it's regional, maybe i'm just lucky. I just hope that I can keep watching the races one way or another and happy that I could until now, except for one.

Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games

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Post by Uberphallus »

Lowkeyloki wrote: post #115
andrewstuart wrote: post #114

Could be a good business opportunity. Make a "compliance device" for shops/hotels/supermarkets that want to comply with their licensing obligations. All the store owner does is place a listening device in their shop and it listens to what licensed content is used and automatically invoices and ensures compliance.

/s? Please?

Coming up for YC 3Q 2019

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Post by nwellnhof »

mikorym wrote: post #253
kelnos wrote: post #119

This has the same solution as any other story around copyright infringement. If you provide people with easy, convenient, legal methods to consume the content in a way that works for them, for a price they find reasonable, then they overwhelmingly won't resort to illegal means. I'm not saying these bars are correct to resort to illegal streaming, but a wise businessperson would see this as a signal that their product…

I find it puzzling why there isn't a Netflix for sports that just shows sports channels. (Or is there?) Cable providers like to lure people in with sports channels and then force sports to only appear in the top payment tier.

> Or is there?

DAZN (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DAZN) is increasingly popular, at least in Europe.

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Post by anthk »

vibragiel wrote: post #227
anthk wrote: post #167

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>(Spanish siesta is at 4PM) That's ridiculous.

As a 40 year old Spaniard, I have never heard of this 4 PM siesta time.

32 yo here. People think, wrongly, all of Spain is like Andalucia with Flamenco and Sun everywhere.

Head to the North in the Atlantic, or better, I dare all of HN to head Burgos in Winter, you'll see how "sunny" will you feel.

Hint: it will chill-screw you all below 0 ºC.

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Post by anthk »

Scoundreller wrote: post #188
anthk wrote: post #169

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That's how you get an empty bar in Spain. We love to drink moderately and socialize, but FFS, the young people loves to use either WhatsAPP or talk with their relatives just in case. Also on the insane fines, these can be huge in Spain. Do not ever fuck communications there.

> Do not ever fuck communications there. Any particular cases we should look into? I figure not a lot of what goes on in Spain makes it into the English-language press.

AEPD law is pretty clear on handling private data on companies/state institutions.

Also jamming teleco signals is a no-no in any European country. I can't know how much is fined but consider it similar to an offence in the US related to the FCC.

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Post by anthk »

ugqtq wrote: post #251
ankalagon wrote: post #110

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> The timings of games are as early as 12PM (spanish siesta is at 4PM) and as late as 11 PM local time. No adult does "siesta" in Spain. Please, let's stop spreading this stereotype. Soccer games usually start at 22:00 or 23:00 hours.

Funny how your comment got downvoted. Imagine if someone alleged that all citizens of [African country] went to sleep at the same time during daytime [instead of working, etc]. GP would be flagged and banned already. But since it's Spain then it's fair game.

Every American must be either a cowboy, a NY cop, or a hunter in the rural Midwest according to HN.

That's how ridiculous they look.

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Post by dlkf »

csa wrote: post #209
stornetn wrote: post #185

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> a wise businessperson would see this as a signal that their product offering doesn't actually match demand, and work to fill that demand This is not necessarily true. It depends entirely on the shape of demand. By way of simplified example, imagine that there are two types of consumers equally distributed: those willing to pay $1000 and those willing to pay $100. Unless you can distinguish at time of payment betwee…

> but I think it's as least as likely that they are maximizing profits the way we'd expect a rational business operator to do I think you grossly overestimate the ability of most large businesses to behave rationally form an organizational profit maximization perspective. It would just as likely or even more likely be something like personal wealth maximization by an employee or group of employees, personal relations…

> It would just as likely or even more likely be something like personal wealth maximization by an employee or group of employees, personal relationship improvement, ego gratification, maintaining/improving social standing, effort minimization, etc.

Do you have any evidence for this?

> I think you grossly overestimate the ability of most large businesses to behave rationally form an organizational profit maximization perspective.

You're free to think this but it doesn't really square with common sense. Profit maximization is a stated goal of large orgs, and by definition they're doing ok at it.

In any case, your comment does nothing to diminish OP's point: that the shape of the demand matters. What the shape of the demand is in this case is an empirical question and you haven't provided any evidence.

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Post by anonpirate32478 »

egd wrote: post #130

Someone I met tried to figure out how to actually legally stream the NBA playoffs recently - apparently there's basically no way to do so without an existing cable subscription or without paying for the entire season. I'm guessing the licensing structure around all of that would make the US tax code look readable, but the result is that it's effectively impossible to decide you want to watch a specific game on a comp…

Posting this anonymously for obvious reasons.

I pay £10GBP/month for a pirate TV streaming service, it contains pretty much every channel from every Country in the world.

Just checked, and yep it has dedicated NBA channels, and they are in 4K (watched one for a couple of minutes, no buffering etc).

When piracy is that cheap/easy, it's incredibly hard to turn down!

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