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The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

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Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

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Tangential question for HN vegetarians: Would you eat lab-grown meat if it was affordable?

I see the "I don't crave meat" take a lot from people who have been vegan for a long time, but among my friends who have all become vegan in the last three years we eat an absolute _ton_ of gardein products. I'd say I buy around three fake meat products a week. I'd definitely eat lab grown meat if it were relatively healthy.

Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

#82
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Why zero carbohydrates?

Carbohydrates get quickly stored as fat if not used as energy. Carbs and sugar are the culprit behind the obesity epidemic, not meat.

https://www.nature.com/articles/0802300

>CONCLUSIONS: Fish-eaters, vegetarians and especially vegans had lower BMI than meat-eaters. Differences in macronutrient intakes accounted for about half the difference in mean BMI between vegans and meat-eaters. High protein and low fibre intakes were the factors most strongly associated with increasing BMI.

Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

#83
post #44

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Any sources to back that up?

Start with unhealthy high-carb refined grains and add anti-nutrients like lectin and phytates, plus fiber that you would probably be better off getting from whole fruits and vegetables and you don't end up with something healthy. Pretty much any of the myriad resources on paleo / low-carb / grain-free diets will cover most of the reasons and point to research backing up why whole grains are not healthy. Nutrition sci…

I guess it goes to show the level of biodiversity but my blood work improved when I increased my carb intake above the 50% mark

Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

#84
post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Carbohydrates get quickly stored as fat if not used as energy. Carbs and sugar are the culprit behind the obesity epidemic, not meat.

https://www.nature.com/articles/0802300 >CONCLUSIONS: Fish-eaters, vegetarians and especially vegans had lower BMI than meat-eaters. Differences in macronutrient intakes accounted for about half the difference in mean BMI between vegans and meat-eaters. High protein and low fibre intakes were the factors most strongly associated with increasing BMI.

Correlation rather than causation, would be my first thought. A randoml vegan is vastly more likely to be getting regular exercise and be generally health-conscious than your randomly selected traditional diet person. This study tries to downplay non-dietary lifestyle factors, but can't help conceding that:

> Vegans tended to report higher levels of physical activity; there were no clear patterns for education level across the diet groups; vegans were least likely and meat-eaters most likely to be married and almost the whole cohort reported ethnicity as white. Nulliparity was most common in the vegan women and least common in meat-eaters, with meat-eaters tending to have a greater number of children than the other diet groups. Some of these differences in lifestyle factors between the diet groups are likely to result from the disparity in median ages.

So, more exercise, less marriage, fewer children, and younger age for the vegans...

Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

#85
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Your body will break down protein and fat into carbs if it isn't supplied with enough carbs. Your body has developed a mechanism to make carbs from other things because it needs carbs so badly. It would seem folly to think we should rely on this round-about disaster-mitigation mechanism instead of just supplying it with what it wants, which is partly carbs.

The premise of the keto diet is that the human body is adapted to function best when deriving most of its energy from fat (dietary or stored). This makes a certain amount of sense from an evolutionary perspective as regular meals with an abundance of easily digested refined carbs were not a feature of our ancestral evolutionary environment. The evidence that "fat-burning" is a healthier default is persuasive but not…

I think there has been some dietary research that showed people, especially those of European ancestry, have been exposed to grains long enough to have adapted. And, like with lots of nutrition information, there's counter examples of ancestral diets comprised largely of carbohydrates.

I think people need to realize there probably isn't a one-size-fits-all diet because humans are so varied genetically and well adapted to many different environments

Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

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post #76
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Tangential question for HN vegetarians: Would you eat lab-grown meat if it was affordable?

I've been a vegetarian my entire adult life. As a child I would describe my diet as flexitarian. I probably wouldn't. I have personally categorized meat, especially fish, into "eww gross" so I don't think I'd enjoy it and I don't really feel like I have a nutritional need for it.

Similarly, my GF is veg not for any ethical reason, but simply because for some reason she can't stand the taste of meat. The improvements to veg meat have been good for her so far. But, if they get much better it will actually be a turn-off for her. So, there's no way she's eating vat meat.

Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

#88
post #41

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Plants are living things. If you want to eat without killing then you'd need ab initio synthesized nutrients or subsist on detritus.

If I were the parent I would've phrased that differently. But, as long as we're being pedantic, eating from plants is possible without killing the organism.

Animals also.

Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

#89
post #30

Here are the ingredients of a Beyond Burger from their website: > Water, Pea Protein Isolate*, Expeller-Pressed Canola Oil, Refined Coconut Oil, Rice Protein, Natural Flavors, Cocoa Butter, Mung Bean Protein, Methylcellulose, Potato Starch, Apple Extract, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Vinegar, Lemon Juice Concentrate, Sunflower Lecithin, Pomegranate Fruit Powder, Beet Juice Extract (for color) Here are ingredients of a r…

Beef is not a homogeneous substance. It contains many constituent substances, just like the Beyond Burger contains ingredients, and many of the constituents are analogous to Beyond Burger ingredients, which is why the taste is so close.

It's also made of whatever the cow consumed, and depending on the source of the beef, that can vary a great deal.

Also, the human body is very resilient as to the source of its nutrients, as long as it gets those nutrients in sufficient quantity and balance.

Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

#90
post #76

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I've been a vegetarian my entire adult life. As a child I would describe my diet as flexitarian. I probably wouldn't. I have personally categorized meat, especially fish, into "eww gross" so I don't think I'd enjoy it and I don't really feel like I have a nutritional need for it.

Similarly, my GF is veg not for any ethical reason, but simply because for some reason she can't stand the taste of meat. The improvements to veg meat have been good for her so far. But, if they get much better it will actually be a turn-off for her. So, there's no way she's eating vat meat.

For me its probably not the taste, just an aversion to the concept.

And the thought of gristle makes me want to vomit.

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