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The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

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Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

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For the sake of the planet and animals, I'm thrilled with the fact Beyond is focusing on animal product replacements.

As someone who enjoys meat, I'm excited to be able to finally get options that don't involve killing something to get there.

Plants are living things. If you want to eat without killing then you'd need ab initio synthesized nutrients or subsist on detritus.

Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

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I think that depends on the process. Is it removing nutrients, replacing them with mostly additives and fillers to improve taste color and texture? What are they derived from?

I agree, what does 'processed' and 'ultraprocessed' mean in practice? Are there objective categorizations besides distinguishing between organic food and everything else?

They seem to be using the "NOVA" definitions from Monteiro et al., 2018, which are apparently summarized here: https://world.openfoodfacts.org/nova

Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

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Why zero carbohydrates?

Carbohydrates get quickly stored as fat if not used as energy. Carbs and sugar are the culprit behind the obesity epidemic, not meat.

AFAIK anything with bioavailable calories is quickly stored as fat if not used as energy. Is that not the case?

Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

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What is the problem with carbohydrates? If it is the refined grain part in pasta and bread, then there are already solutions: whole wheat products. Who do you thing would go for the beyond wheat products?

People who know that it is a myth that whole grains are healthy?

Any sources to back that up?

Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

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I wonder what effects these foods have on the microbiome and health? I read an article this morning about two studies that linked ultraprocessed foods to cardiovascular problems and early death: https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2019/6/11/18652653/di... It seems like these foods fit in the category of "ultraprocessed", unfortunately.

The human body is pretty resilient for most foods. While fortifying "ultra-processed" foods with simple sugars and hydrogenated fats have negative health effects, people have been consuming processed proteins for a while now without that much negativity.

Problems arise when these faux meats are themselves over-fortified with simple sugars and trans fats, in order to mimic real meat. Then you're losing health benefits of eating the real thing, and you should be careful.

Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

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Carbohydrates get quickly stored as fat if not used as energy. Carbs and sugar are the culprit behind the obesity epidemic, not meat.

Does anyone say that meat causes obesity?

I don't think meat per se is fingered as the cause from what I read in these and similar comment threads, but the fat that usually comes with most affordable cuts of meat, so meat gets tarred with the same brush.

Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

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https://ourworldindata.org/meat-and-seafood-production-consu...

Seafood consumption is far higher than meat-- good luck to these folks, it could be highly profitable.

Update:

Worldwide meat consumption (first graph): 317,000,000 tonnes.

Worldwide seafood consumption (later down): 154,850 kilotonnes, or 154,850,000 tonnes.

Seafood is roughly half of meat. That's still a large market.

Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

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But none of those taste and feel like real pasta, whereas the impossible burger tastes and feels like a real burger.

I had some chickpea pasta from Whole Foods that at least to me, tasted as good if not better than real pasta.

Thanks, I'll check it out.

Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

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Are there any private companies actually working on commercializing lab grown meat? Or is it still way too early for that? I'm much more bullish on lab grown meat - the company that can build that will be $100b+ company for sure.

Memphis Meats is one company I'm aware of that's working to commercialize cell cultured meats. I haven't really checked up on them since their demo day, but a cursory glance suggests that they seem to be going strong.

Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

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It took 100 million years for evolution to design cows and 400 million years of evolution have been impacting fish, so it will take approximately 4x as much investment or time to develop a "Further Than Fish" replacement

Evolution wasted its time making fish move around, vision, reproduction, gills and so on. The replacement just has to taste very similar, not hurt animals, be reasonably priced, sustainable to produce and healthy or neutral for health.

Also, the meat substitutes that currently exist are all based on plants, which also went through all those years of evolution – they’re not chemically synthesized from the ground up. And they seem set to be supplanted in the future by meat grown artificially from real animal cells, which will make the whole point moot.
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