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Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

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Post by mc32 » Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 8:08 PM UTC

muraiki wrote: post #23

I wonder what effects these foods have on the microbiome and health? I read an article this morning about two studies that linked ultraprocessed foods to cardiovascular problems and early death: https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2019/6/11/18652653/di... It seems like these foods fit in the category of "ultraprocessed", unfortunately.

I think that depends on the process. Is it removing nutrients, replacing them with mostly additives and fillers to improve taste color and texture? What are they derived from?

Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

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Post by vga805 » Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 8:09 PM UTC

makerofspoons wrote: post #27

Not mentioned in this article, but the Gardein brand vegan fish fillets and crab cakes are excellent and already available at grocery stores.

Yes! These things are some of the best faux-meats out there.

Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

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Post by tdb7893 » Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 8:09 PM UTC

hirundo wrote: post #30

Here are the ingredients of a Beyond Burger from their website: > Water, Pea Protein Isolate*, Expeller-Pressed Canola Oil, Refined Coconut Oil, Rice Protein, Natural Flavors, Cocoa Butter, Mung Bean Protein, Methylcellulose, Potato Starch, Apple Extract, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Vinegar, Lemon Juice Concentrate, Sunflower Lecithin, Pomegranate Fruit Powder, Beet Juice Extract (for color) Here are ingredients of a r…

Yeah they are different, it's not gonna be the exact same. Also if you need to add a specific vitamin or mineral it's easy to just add it

Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

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Post by alecco » Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 8:10 PM UTC

muraiki wrote: post #23

I wonder what effects these foods have on the microbiome and health? I read an article this morning about two studies that linked ultraprocessed foods to cardiovascular problems and early death: https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2019/6/11/18652653/di... It seems like these foods fit in the category of "ultraprocessed", unfortunately.

Sure, but I bet ultra-processed meat is worse than ultra-processed beans.

Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

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Post by dawhizkid » Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 8:10 PM UTC

Are there any private companies actually working on commercializing lab grown meat? Or is it still way too early for that?

I'm much more bullish on lab grown meat - the company that can build that will be $100b+ company for sure.

Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

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Post by creaghpatr » Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 8:10 PM UTC

mc32 wrote: post #31

muraiki wrote: post #23

I wonder what effects these foods have on the microbiome and health? I read an article this morning about two studies that linked ultraprocessed foods to cardiovascular problems and early death: https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2019/6/11/18652653/di... It seems like these foods fit in the category of "ultraprocessed", unfortunately.

I think that depends on the process. Is it removing nutrients, replacing them with mostly additives and fillers to improve taste color and texture? What are they derived from?

I agree, what does 'processed' and 'ultraprocessed' mean in practice? Are there objective categorizations besides distinguishing between organic food and everything else?

Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

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Post by fwip » Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 8:11 PM UTC

cpursley wrote: post #24

fredsir wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why zero carbohydrates?

Carbohydrates get quickly stored as fat if not used as energy. Carbs and sugar are the culprit behind the obesity epidemic, not meat.

Does anyone say that meat causes obesity?

Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

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Post by fredsir » Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 8:13 PM UTC

mattnewport wrote: post #17

flick wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you Famine [1]? 1: https://wiki.lspace.org/mediawiki/Famine_(Good_Omens)

Since you can live without carbohydrates but not without protein and fat it seems like the opposite.

Your body will break down protein and fat into carbs if it isn't supplied with enough carbs. Your body has developed a mechanism to make carbs from other things because it needs carbs so badly. It would seem folly to think we should rely on this round-about disaster-mitigation mechanism instead of just supplying it with what it wants, which is partly carbs.

Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

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Post by noloblo » Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 8:13 PM UTC

i_cant_speel wrote: post #19

pasta-driven wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the problem with carbohydrates? If it is the refined grain part in pasta and bread, then there are already solutions: whole wheat products. Who do you thing would go for the beyond wheat products?

There are plenty of people who are on low/no carb diets. Keto being a notable example.

+1 beyond bread would be good addition to the beyond lineup

Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

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Post by noloblo » Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 8:13 PM UTC

projectramo wrote: post #8

ThomPete wrote: post #3

Id rather see someone become the Beyond Bread/Pasta with zero carbohydrates, that i believe would be a much bigger market.

Cauliflower bread. Not quite there, but its a great start to a healthier alternative.

good idea