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Tesla boom lifts Norway's electric car sales to record market share

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Re: Tesla boom lifts Norway's electric car sales to record market share

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Post by pi-rat »

Theodores wrote: post #31
heavenlyhash wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oslo resident here. Indeed. Look also to: - the near-universality of charger stations on streets, both in residential and commercial districts; - the huge tax subsidies for buying and owning electric vehicles; - the low cost of (clean, incidentally) electricity (I believe most of the charger posts in the city are free , though I should note I don't drive myself); - the substantial tarrifs and fees for poluting vehicl…

Hi Oslo resident. Just had a streetview browse of your city, first view with the yellow man gave me an oncoming Tesla. I had a look for the chargers but didn't find any, I guess you need an app and to know what to look for. More noticeable are the trams. Forget electric cars, trams are the future and I liked seeing so many of them. I tried to stay off the tramways as you aren't going to have charging points there, bu…

Not a Oslo resident, but maybe I can help :)

You can find chargers in Norway by using one of the many maps or apps: https://www.ladestasjoner.no/kart/

Many of the Oslo chargers look like this: https://www.salto.no/media/images/referanser/_big4by3/søyle-...

Here's another one: https://www.google.com/maps/@59.9287152,10.7231221,3a,59.2y,...

See the instructional video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vgb4Rr6cG38

With the current gen electric cars it's easy to keep a car charged in Norway. I haven't installed a charging station in the garage yet, so I just park mine at one of the city (Bergen) car parks once per week (while I go to work). A work day of charging gives me about 400 km (250 miles) range.

Re: Tesla boom lifts Norway's electric car sales to record market share

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Post by throwayEngineer »

navigatesol wrote: post #38
w8vY7ER wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, yes, experts.

Yes, experts who have driven many cars, from many manufacturers at many price points over many years. Or you can go with the anonymous HackerNews account.

Do you think that person is a Tesla Marketing account? They also posted about spacex

Re: Tesla boom lifts Norway's electric car sales to record market share

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Post by threeseed »

zaroth wrote: post #12
RankingMember wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Noise makers are being added by law lots of places for good reason, but that's a bit off-topic isn't it?

It’s somewhat on topic as it reduces the desirability of an EV doesn’t it? IMO, they should require either a noise maker, or a sufficiently advanced pedestrian collision avoidance safety system. I would think that at the speed and in the scenarios a noise maker would help, a pedestrian safety system should be highly effective.

Well given that Tesla's Autopilot and Lane Departure Avoidance are supposed to be the best in the industry and even they can't stop killing people maybe we should just stick to noise.

Re: Tesla boom lifts Norway's electric car sales to record market share

#44

Post by ryanlol »

w8vY7ER wrote: post #36
throwayEngineer wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>IMO the Leaf is a compromise car you choose in order to get an EV, whereas the TM3 is a better car in almost every way than anything else on the market, This is definitely your opinion. Experts agree that Tesla is a low quality luxury vehicle. Fans love it, but this is a known phenomenon with Jeep owners too. Jeep owners will forgive problems where other users would not.

Ah, yes, experts.

Substitute “experts” with “anyone who has sat in a high end Audi, BMW or Mercedes”

Teslas are fun to drive but awful to sit in.

Re: Tesla boom lifts Norway's electric car sales to record market share

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Post by Para2016 »

xiphias2 wrote: post #37
bagacrap wrote: post #34

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Isn't the country's enormous wealth largely due to the sale of fossil fuels? Tax incentives for EV usage are great, but it's only possible because of the rest of the world's dependence on oil. It's really hard to take any lesson or even comfort from a story like this. It's not possible for everyone to offshore their carbon footprint.

Would it be better if Norway would not lead the transition to sustainability? They understand how bad it is (also their oil reserves are not as great as before), and at least trying to take action before it's too late.

Actually yes, another country should "lead" the transition. It's a global issue. Doing a good thing for your own population while continuing to export fossil fuel is hypocritical.

Re: Tesla boom lifts Norway's electric car sales to record market share

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Post by zaroth »

threeseed wrote: post #43
zaroth wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s somewhat on topic as it reduces the desirability of an EV doesn’t it? IMO, they should require either a noise maker, or a sufficiently advanced pedestrian collision avoidance safety system. I would think that at the speed and in the scenarios a noise maker would help, a pedestrian safety system should be highly effective.

Well given that Tesla's Autopilot and Lane Departure Avoidance are supposed to be the best in the industry and even they can't stop killing people maybe we should just stick to noise.

Is this supposed to be sarcasm? They “can’t stop killing people” that aren’t bothering to look out the window while traveling 60mph+ on the highway?

Low speed pedestrian avoidance in parking lots is an entirely different subsystem than highway autopilot. Arguably it would be significantly less controversial to forego LIDAR in the pedestrian case and rely purely on ultrasonic, radar, and cameras.

Re: Tesla boom lifts Norway's electric car sales to record market share

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Post by atombender »

bagacrap wrote: post #34
heavenlyhash wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oslo resident here. Indeed. Look also to: - the near-universality of charger stations on streets, both in residential and commercial districts; - the huge tax subsidies for buying and owning electric vehicles; - the low cost of (clean, incidentally) electricity (I believe most of the charger posts in the city are free , though I should note I don't drive myself); - the substantial tarrifs and fees for poluting vehicl…

Isn't the country's enormous wealth largely due to the sale of fossil fuels? Tax incentives for EV usage are great, but it's only possible because of the rest of the world's dependence on oil. It's really hard to take any lesson or even comfort from a story like this. It's not possible for everyone to offshore their carbon footprint.

I'm not sure I see how Norway converting to EVs increases fossil-fuel use elsewhere in the world.

If anything, increased EV sales will help in tipping the trend against fossil-fuel-burning vehicles and have a positive impact everywhere.

Even if you consider oil money to be morally questionable, it can be employed as a soft power in a positive way.

Re: Tesla boom lifts Norway's electric car sales to record market share

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Post by breakyerself »

Para2016 wrote: post #45
xiphias2 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would it be better if Norway would not lead the transition to sustainability? They understand how bad it is (also their oil reserves are not as great as before), and at least trying to take action before it's too late.

Actually yes, another country should "lead" the transition. It's a global issue. Doing a good thing for your own population while continuing to export fossil fuel is hypocritical.

I'm guessing you're not a fan of harm reduction programs.

Re: Tesla boom lifts Norway's electric car sales to record market share

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Post by zaroth »

throwayEngineer wrote: post #32
zaroth wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla is the cause of the current record sales of EVs in Norway, per TFA; > In 2018, Norway’s fully electric car sales rose to a record 31.2 percent market share from 20.8 percent in 2017, far ahead of any other nation, and buyers had to wait as producers struggled to keep up with demand. > The surge of electric cars to a 58.4 percent market share in March came as Tesla ramped up delivery of its mid-sized Model 3...…

>IMO the Leaf is a compromise car you choose in order to get an EV, whereas the TM3 is a better car in almost every way than anything else on the market, This is definitely your opinion. Experts agree that Tesla is a low quality luxury vehicle. Fans love it, but this is a known phenomenon with Jeep owners too. Jeep owners will forgive problems where other users would not.

It is outselling every other luxury car on the market right now, so if by “fans” you mean “car buyers” then I guess I agree?

The WSJ review I read last year on the TM3 does not consider it “low quality”. I believe their words were “rainbow farting unicorn”.

For a more recent example, the TM3 beat out the M3 in, of all places, Top Gear.

Polarizing, to be sure. “Low quality” is, erm, highly opinionated. I would say it’s strictly better than my previous car (an Infinit) in every conceivable way. And yet, there are some people who say the panel gaps are a millimeter too wide.

My wife’s GL450 does ride smoother, and it certainly is cozy (heated, ventilated, and massager seats?!) but then again, at 40k miles and a few months out of warranty I’m bringing her car to the shop tomorrow because the air suspension is indicating a “Malfunction”. Any guess on how much that’s going to run? Probably the GL450 is simply not a car you can reasonably own outside of warranty.

I do have a bit of a similar concern about if the TM3 could fail in some unexpected and highly expensive fashion, as it’s a brand new platform, but only time will tell and so far it’s been flawless. The expensive parts also have excellent warranty coverage.

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