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Tesla boom lifts Norway's electric car sales to record market share

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Re: Tesla boom lifts Norway's electric car sales to record market share

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Post by Theodores »

heavenlyhash wrote: post #28
lucideer wrote: post #4

This is a very oddly positioned story. The Nissan Leaf "lift[ed] Norway's electric car sales to record market share" before Tesla's Model 3 surpassed the Leaf in sales. The article seems to be making out that Tesla have been the cause of the record EV sales in Norway. In actuality, Tesla have recently become the most popular EV there, but EV sales were record-breaking before that.

Oslo resident here. Indeed. Look also to: - the near-universality of charger stations on streets, both in residential and commercial districts; - the huge tax subsidies for buying and owning electric vehicles; - the low cost of (clean, incidentally) electricity (I believe most of the charger posts in the city are free , though I should note I don't drive myself); - the substantial tarrifs and fees for poluting vehicl…

Hi Oslo resident.

Just had a streetview browse of your city, first view with the yellow man gave me an oncoming Tesla. I had a look for the chargers but didn't find any, I guess you need an app and to know what to look for.

More noticeable are the trams. Forget electric cars, trams are the future and I liked seeing so many of them. I tried to stay off the tramways as you aren't going to have charging points there, but now I want to know, if you didn't have an app, where would you look in Oslo for a street level charging facility?

Kind of inspired to go there after seeing the sunny day street view pics, lovely place!

Re: Tesla boom lifts Norway's electric car sales to record market share

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Post by throwayEngineer »

zaroth wrote: post #7
lucideer wrote: post #4

This is a very oddly positioned story. The Nissan Leaf "lift[ed] Norway's electric car sales to record market share" before Tesla's Model 3 surpassed the Leaf in sales. The article seems to be making out that Tesla have been the cause of the record EV sales in Norway. In actuality, Tesla have recently become the most popular EV there, but EV sales were record-breaking before that.

Tesla is the cause of the current record sales of EVs in Norway, per TFA; > In 2018, Norway’s fully electric car sales rose to a record 31.2 percent market share from 20.8 percent in 2017, far ahead of any other nation, and buyers had to wait as producers struggled to keep up with demand. > The surge of electric cars to a 58.4 percent market share in March came as Tesla ramped up delivery of its mid-sized Model 3...…

>IMO the Leaf is a compromise car you choose in order to get an EV, whereas the TM3 is a better car in almost every way than anything else on the market,

This is definitely your opinion.

Experts agree that Tesla is a low quality luxury vehicle.

Fans love it, but this is a known phenomenon with Jeep owners too. Jeep owners will forgive problems where other users would not.

Re: Tesla boom lifts Norway's electric car sales to record market share

#34

Post by bagacrap »

heavenlyhash wrote: post #28
lucideer wrote: post #4

This is a very oddly positioned story. The Nissan Leaf "lift[ed] Norway's electric car sales to record market share" before Tesla's Model 3 surpassed the Leaf in sales. The article seems to be making out that Tesla have been the cause of the record EV sales in Norway. In actuality, Tesla have recently become the most popular EV there, but EV sales were record-breaking before that.

Oslo resident here. Indeed. Look also to: - the near-universality of charger stations on streets, both in residential and commercial districts; - the huge tax subsidies for buying and owning electric vehicles; - the low cost of (clean, incidentally) electricity (I believe most of the charger posts in the city are free , though I should note I don't drive myself); - the substantial tarrifs and fees for poluting vehicl…

Isn't the country's enormous wealth largely due to the sale of fossil fuels? Tax incentives for EV usage are great, but it's only possible because of the rest of the world's dependence on oil. It's really hard to take any lesson or even comfort from a story like this. It's not possible for everyone to offshore their carbon footprint.

Re: Tesla boom lifts Norway's electric car sales to record market share

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Post by Xylakant »

zaroth wrote: post #29
Xylakant wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But total is ~8k model 3 VS 54k leaf. People wanting a leaf could already buy one, while model 3 customers could only preorder. So these stats over a short timeframe only tell us that newer models sell better and that delivery of preorders skews the stats massively.

Now you’re comparing total lifetime sales numbers for a model car that just started shipping in a market this February with a model that’s been shipping since, what, 2010? Of course there’s nothing stopping Nissan from introducing a new upgraded Leaf in 2019. Maybe they did?

> Of course there’s nothing stopping Nissan from introducing a new upgraded Leaf in 2019. Maybe they did?

Yes they did. And it starts shipping to european customers this summer as per . So you’re comparing preorder shipment numbers for tesla model 3 with previous gen leafs when a model refresh is coming and the new model can actually already be preordered. And the leaf still is not far behind in May.

https://europe.nissannews.com/en-GB/releases/release-90b1ce8...

Re: Tesla boom lifts Norway's electric car sales to record market share

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Post by w8vY7ER »

throwayEngineer wrote: post #32
zaroth wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla is the cause of the current record sales of EVs in Norway, per TFA; > In 2018, Norway’s fully electric car sales rose to a record 31.2 percent market share from 20.8 percent in 2017, far ahead of any other nation, and buyers had to wait as producers struggled to keep up with demand. > The surge of electric cars to a 58.4 percent market share in March came as Tesla ramped up delivery of its mid-sized Model 3...…

>IMO the Leaf is a compromise car you choose in order to get an EV, whereas the TM3 is a better car in almost every way than anything else on the market, This is definitely your opinion. Experts agree that Tesla is a low quality luxury vehicle. Fans love it, but this is a known phenomenon with Jeep owners too. Jeep owners will forgive problems where other users would not.

Ah, yes, experts.

Re: Tesla boom lifts Norway's electric car sales to record market share

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Post by xiphias2 »

bagacrap wrote: post #34
heavenlyhash wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oslo resident here. Indeed. Look also to: - the near-universality of charger stations on streets, both in residential and commercial districts; - the huge tax subsidies for buying and owning electric vehicles; - the low cost of (clean, incidentally) electricity (I believe most of the charger posts in the city are free , though I should note I don't drive myself); - the substantial tarrifs and fees for poluting vehicl…

Isn't the country's enormous wealth largely due to the sale of fossil fuels? Tax incentives for EV usage are great, but it's only possible because of the rest of the world's dependence on oil. It's really hard to take any lesson or even comfort from a story like this. It's not possible for everyone to offshore their carbon footprint.

Would it be better if Norway would not lead the transition to sustainability?

They understand how bad it is (also their oil reserves are not as great as before), and at least trying to take action before it's too late.

Re: Tesla boom lifts Norway's electric car sales to record market share

#38

Post by navigatesol »

w8vY7ER wrote: post #36
throwayEngineer wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>IMO the Leaf is a compromise car you choose in order to get an EV, whereas the TM3 is a better car in almost every way than anything else on the market, This is definitely your opinion. Experts agree that Tesla is a low quality luxury vehicle. Fans love it, but this is a known phenomenon with Jeep owners too. Jeep owners will forgive problems where other users would not.

Ah, yes, experts.

Yes, experts who have driven many cars, from many manufacturers at many price points over many years. Or you can go with the anonymous HackerNews account.

Re: Tesla boom lifts Norway's electric car sales to record market share

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Post by apex3stoker »

bagacrap wrote: post #34
heavenlyhash wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oslo resident here. Indeed. Look also to: - the near-universality of charger stations on streets, both in residential and commercial districts; - the huge tax subsidies for buying and owning electric vehicles; - the low cost of (clean, incidentally) electricity (I believe most of the charger posts in the city are free , though I should note I don't drive myself); - the substantial tarrifs and fees for poluting vehicl…

Isn't the country's enormous wealth largely due to the sale of fossil fuels? Tax incentives for EV usage are great, but it's only possible because of the rest of the world's dependence on oil. It's really hard to take any lesson or even comfort from a story like this. It's not possible for everyone to offshore their carbon footprint.

Having fossil fuels makes it harder to introduce incentives to promote alternative energy. Countries with fossil fuels tend to enrich a small fraction of ruling class (and foreign oil companies) which uses fossil fuel subsidies to maintain power. Norway managed to escape this curse because of foresight (http://web.archive.org/web/20100123225932/http://www.ft.com/...).
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