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Re: Opera, Brave, Vivaldi to ignore Chrome's anti-ad-blocker changes

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Post by agumonkey »

clumsysmurf wrote: post #135
agumonkey wrote: post #123

I, for the first time ever, uninstalled chrome/chromium from my computers. It pains me because I liked it overall, and firefox isn't happy with my 2009 laptops. Maybe chrome devs mistake will be the air gap that creates a new leader from another group.

FF and Safari were the only browser that worked well on my 2009 MBP ... until FF went multi process, and then started using too much ram. Today I think its total ram usage is worse than Chrome.

Memory usage used to be a lot better than chrome, but I'm under linux, maybe on macos it's different, also I stopped caring about it so maybe it got worse.

Re: Opera, Brave, Vivaldi to ignore Chrome's anti-ad-blocker changes

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Post by varenc »

SquareWheel wrote: post #133
el_programmador wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My gut feeling is that Google won't pull this stunt with chrome, this is some kind of scare mongering or a PR tactic, I dunno. It doesn't make a logical sense because if they are banning the ad-blockers, it means they accept that chrome is largely used by power users who can install these blockers (otherwise, what's the need?). But they should realize that a power user who installs an addon can just as easily move to…

>It doesn't make a logical sense because if they are banning the ad-blockers... To be clear, you can still block ads under Manifest v3. I don't know where this idea that you suddenly won't be able to block ads came from, but somebody is being dishonest about it.

Ad blocking capabilities are limited and there's no API to implement advanced rules like media size limiting. For example manifest v3 has no way to implement the full EasyList.

Re: Opera, Brave, Vivaldi to ignore Chrome's anti-ad-blocker changes

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Post by pedrocx486 »

EugeneOZ wrote: post #130

Tried Opera on Mac OS - half of toggles on the Settings page is not rendered - "Pref not found for element SETTINGS-TOGGLE-BUTTON in SETTINGS-APPEARANCE-PAG". It was so epic trash - removed instantly. They obviously don't test it on Mac OS. Tried Vivaldi - render sites with errors (some images missing). 0 plugins installed. Not acceptable, removed. Brave - I really hate person who run this project and how he is tryin…

Edge Chromium maybe? I've been using it and have no complaints...

Re: Opera, Brave, Vivaldi to ignore Chrome's anti-ad-blocker changes

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Post by dmitryminkovsky »

guelo wrote: post #97
superkuh wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem you described actually happened with Firefox and Firefox forks not too long ago. Mozilla kicked out all traditional Firefox add-ons from their repository to "replace" them (note: they didn't actually replace the vast majority) with chrome style webextensions. Firefox forks were forced to implement and run their own add-on hosting system and API, and navigate the complex legal waters of re-hosting the add-…

Ironically Firefox killed their extension API to be compatible with Chrome's extensions. Now they probably don't want to be compatible with the new Chrome API.

I recently used the webRequest API in Firefox and it is already more robust than the Chrome equivalent. For example, you can write stream filters to process request responses. No so in Chrome, where you have no such capability.

Re: Opera, Brave, Vivaldi to ignore Chrome's anti-ad-blocker changes

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Post by SquareWheel »

varenc wrote: post #142
SquareWheel wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It doesn't make a logical sense because if they are banning the ad-blockers... To be clear, you can still block ads under Manifest v3. I don't know where this idea that you suddenly won't be able to block ads came from, but somebody is being dishonest about it.

Ad blocking capabilities are limited and there's no API to implement advanced rules like media size limiting. For example manifest v3 has no way to implement the full EasyList.

That's true on both counts, but less of a concern than you might be thinking. EasyList can be slimmed down significantly without losing any blocking. Media size limiting is a more interesting use case, but probably not why most installed adblockers in the first place.

Re: Opera, Brave, Vivaldi to ignore Chrome's anti-ad-blocker changes

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Post by negamax »

Damn Google! This is so short sighted. People/everyone just installed Chrome on whatever systems they could find and that's how Chrome become so prevalent. Not because it was a superior product, not because of technology but because everyone was anti IE. Google is painting Chrome into similar corner. In a way, this is a good indicator of decline of Google. Revenue not through innovation but by coercion

Re: Opera, Brave, Vivaldi to ignore Chrome's anti-ad-blocker changes

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Post by agumonkey »

Chirael wrote: post #139
agumonkey wrote: post #123

I, for the first time ever, uninstalled chrome/chromium from my computers. It pains me because I liked it overall, and firefox isn't happy with my 2009 laptops. Maybe chrome devs mistake will be the air gap that creates a new leader from another group.

I got a new computer recently (old one died), and because of this change I will not install Chrome on the new computer. I’m planning to use Edge for anything Google-specific like Google Docs or Sheets, and Firefox for everything else. Unfortunately, my wife has a Chromebook and it’s hard to convince her that her very cheap, almost-disposable laptop should be replaced with something more expensive just to avoid Chrome…

Buy a second hand machine. I just grabbed a 3rd gen thinkpad x1 carbon for a neighbor and the thing is a ferrari compared to any laptop I have. 390$. Probably less than 300$ for a less thin model (x250~)

Re: Opera, Brave, Vivaldi to ignore Chrome's anti-ad-blocker changes

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Post by kibwen »

AsyncAwait wrote: post #124
guelo wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ironically Firefox killed their extension API to be compatible with Chrome's extensions. Now they probably don't want to be compatible with the new Chrome API.

> Ironically Firefox killed their extension API to be compatible with Chrome's extensions. This is misleading. They deprecated the old API primarily to be able to do multi-process and get rid of XUL.

As well as to expose a stable extension API (no more XUL extensions breaking randomly on every browser update) and to enforce any sort of security boundary/permissions system.

Re: Opera, Brave, Vivaldi to ignore Chrome's anti-ad-blocker changes

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Post by partiallypro »

I don't see how Chrome's new anti-ad blocking isn't seen as anti-competitive, considering Google basically runs the ad business on non-Google sites, etc. Sure, Facebook and Amazon also serve up ads...but Google is by far the company that is hurt the most by ad blocking. Then at the same time Chrome is essentially blocking "intrusive" ads by default...and by intrusive they basically mean non-Google ads that have the same CPC and CPM model Google has.

Re: Opera, Brave, Vivaldi to ignore Chrome's anti-ad-blocker changes

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Post by owaislone »

rndgermandude wrote: post #42

The problem at this point isn't whether chrome will disable it... It can be added back, probably fairly easily as google intents to keep it around for "enterprise" anyway, so it's probably just gonna end up changing/removing one if-statement. If not, then the code already exists and has to be merged back in. The problem is distribution of the actual extensions, as Vivaldi kinda pointed out, as the other browsers most…

Since Firefox support WebExtensions now (or will soon get it) which are very close to Chrome extensions, it wouldn't be unthinkable for all non-Chrome browsers to use Firefox store instead of the Chrome one. I think Mozilla could even be convinced to open it up as an "open web extensions" store or collaborate with others to build a new one. They certainly have the infrastructure and experience to run one.
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