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Opera, Brave, Vivaldi to ignore Chrome's anti-ad-blocker changes

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Re: Opera, Brave, Vivaldi to ignore Chrome's anti-ad-blocker changes

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They’re not attacking anything - I don’t think ad blockers block search ads, which are embedded into search results - and Firefox royalties have always been for search.

> I don’t think ad blockers block search ads Of course they do.

uBlock Origin doesn't block search ads on DuckDuckGo.

Edit: Never mind; just had to fiddle around with the filters.

Re: Opera, Brave, Vivaldi to ignore Chrome's anti-ad-blocker changes

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I've been using Firefox for 6+months now as my primary browser. Once used to the slightly different UI I've not noticed any difference in day to day browsing. Only complaint - and this is my fault for enabling it and not a Firefox issue - is that if I used a container for Google, reCAPTCHAs are a huge huge huge pain in the arse now and take many attempts to pass. This is (I guess) because the Google cookie cannot tra…

Try https://www.startpage.com/ Works as proxy for Google Search. No captchas, very customizable. Could never live with the Bing based crap results of DuckDuckGo.

Whatever DDG does to Bing, it makes it worse. I recently switched from DDG to Bing and the difference is colossal - 95% of the time it’s as good as Google.

Re: Opera, Brave, Vivaldi to ignore Chrome's anti-ad-blocker changes

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The problem at this point isn't whether chrome will disable it... It can be added back, probably fairly easily as google intents to keep it around for "enterprise" anyway, so it's probably just gonna end up changing/removing one if-statement. If not, then the code already exists and has to be merged back in. The problem is distribution of the actual extensions, as Vivaldi kinda pointed out, as the other browsers most…

I can't imagine Microsoft will follow Google and they already have a store that has a ton of ad blockers.

If some sort of standardization emerges among the non-Google Chromium versions, Vivaldi users could load ad blockers from Microsoft's store.

Re: Opera, Brave, Vivaldi to ignore Chrome's anti-ad-blocker changes

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The problem at this point isn't whether chrome will disable it... It can be added back, probably fairly easily as google intents to keep it around for "enterprise" anyway, so it's probably just gonna end up changing/removing one if-statement. If not, then the code already exists and has to be merged back in. The problem is distribution of the actual extensions, as Vivaldi kinda pointed out, as the other browsers most…

yeah this commitment inspires little long term confidence since the ecosystem is heavily chrome-centric

I've already moved everything to Firefox to test out waters before moving all my relatives.

Re: Opera, Brave, Vivaldi to ignore Chrome's anti-ad-blocker changes

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Except mobile browsers, arguably the most critical place where you need blocking to get any kind of reasonably decent experience (load times, viewable area, battery life, etc.). Extensions like uBlock target people who don't want to bother with editing hosts files and keeping them updated.

On iOS, you can use DNSCloak[1] which has recently been open-sourced[2]. You can either setup a DNS server (DoH or dnscrypt) somewhere that include these filters, or you can use in-app Blacklist functionality to block domain (although it needs domains only-type of block file, instead of host file, but converting them is quiet trivial). [1]: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/dnscloak-secure-dns-client/i... [2]: https://…

I use PiHole and firewall to manage adblocking at home, and uBlock on every device that supports it. uBlock is a far more effective solution than DNS based ones which is why I prefer to install Firefox+uBlock on Android than use hosts file.

I'll give DNSCloak for iOS a try, thanks for the recommendation.

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Mobile Firefox does. How is this not better known?

The best mobile Firefox feature never marketed by Mozilla at all.

I don't think it is certain to stay, as they seem to avoid commiting to the extension capability in their future Versions of Firefox for Android.

So AFAIK it might be that they want to get rid of it.

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> The browser is not fully open source like open in open source. It is a common myth and misconception about Kiwi Browser. https://github.com/kiwibrowser/android/issues/30 There's NewPipe at F-Droid for youtube music in the background and so much more.

Yep, but it's not only Kiwi. There is zero full open-source Chromium browsers for now (with reproducible builds, that's why no Chromium on F-Droid)

There's Chromium build at Bromite repository, but they both might be not exactly reproducible.

Re: Opera, Brave, Vivaldi to ignore Chrome's anti-ad-blocker changes

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The problem at this point isn't whether chrome will disable it... It can be added back, probably fairly easily as google intents to keep it around for "enterprise" anyway, so it's probably just gonna end up changing/removing one if-statement. If not, then the code already exists and has to be merged back in. The problem is distribution of the actual extensions, as Vivaldi kinda pointed out, as the other browsers most…

My gut feeling is that Google won't pull this stunt with chrome, this is some kind of scare mongering or a PR tactic, I dunno.

It doesn't make a logical sense because if they are banning the ad-blockers, it means they accept that chrome is largely used by power users who can install these blockers (otherwise, what's the need?). But they should realize that a power user who installs an addon can just as easily move to another browser like firefox/brave. And the PR repercussions will ensure that a lot of newbies will leave too (because they usually follow the power users on youtube) which will essentially kill the advertising income that they wanted in the first place?

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XUL was replaced quite some time ago.

XUL is not supported for extensions now, but has Firefox's UI really been fully rewritten in HTML yet?

No. If you open the browser console and type `window`, you see:

    ChromeWindow chrome://browser/content/browser.xul
Visiting this link is funny by the way.

Does this complicate having a standalone Gecko though? Surely browser authors could write their own UI and embed Gecko inside without touching XUL.

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